WhatsApp Discussion Series 41: "Bhrajak-pitta-pratiloma-gati" by Dr. Mayur Surana, Vd. Hardik Chandra Kalal, Dr. Pankaj Chhayani, Vd. Rangaprasadji Bhat & 0thers,

[6/5, 23:30] Hardik Chandra Kalal Vd: 

What is anuloman ??

[6/5, 23:32] D.C. Katoch sir: उपयुक्त दिशा में ले जाना !

[6/5, 23:33] Hardik Chandra Kalal Vd:

 Upyukta arthat sir ???

[6/5, 23:33] Hardik Chandra Kalal Vd:

 Svamarga gaman ?

[6/5, 23:35] Vd Ranga Prasad Ji Chennai:

 Opposite of प्रतिलोमन गति ।।

[6/5, 23:35] Dr Surendra A Soni: 

[6/5, 23:43] Hardik Chandra Kalal Vd:

 Anuloman of Pitta n kaf ..???

How can we do ?? Anuloman  of Pitta n kaf. ..Is it mention in samhita ??

[6/5, 23:48] Dr Surendra A Soni: 

Pitta- pitta rechan

Kapha- chchhardan/ullekhan

Simple with nearest rout many times body itself does like chchhardan in amla pitta (urdhwaga)....

Virechan in mridu koshthi....!

[6/5, 23:50] Hardik Chandra Kalal Vd: 

What symptoms may be possible in pratilom gati of bhrajak pitta ??

[6/6, 00:04] Mayur Surana Dr.: 

Great question...

छायानाश can happen...d prakrut chhaya of the avyaya can go and elsewhere extra illumination can happen...एकस्थान वृद्धी अन्य स्थानक्षय...

The role of bhrajak agni is evident after snan where it helps in Agni Deepti...when bhrajakpitta gets pratilomit, agni deep to won't happen after snaan..

The pachan of Abhyang - lepadi won't happen of d concerned areas where  bhrajik pitta is pratilomit.

[6/6, 00:04] Dr Surendra A Soni: 

Very unique question. First time facing such type of question.

As per general perception absence of karma of bhrajak pitta should be taken with pratiloma gati of BP.

Few things should be clear that ......................... is there any gati of alochak, sadhak and bhrajak pitta...?

Because there is no clear cut description regarding this...!

[6/6, 00:05] Dr Surendra A Soni: Dr. Mayur 

[6/6, 00:06] Mayur Surana Dr.: 

As like on वा.नि.१६.., hetus of dushti of pancha pitta and kapha need to be found out in today's era...

Use of SPF, deo, no bathing, bathing after eating can be some of this causes in d context of d question...

[6/6, 00:06] pawan madan Dr: 

Interesring thaoght....

[6/6, 00:10] Hardik Chandra Kalal Vd: 

Me satisfied with answer

[6/6, 00:13] Hardik Chandra Kalal Vd: 

Any examples as disease of pratilom bhrajak pitta ?

[6/6, 00:18] Dr Surendra A Soni: 

Hypohydrosis, absence of prabha, absence of malenin pigments etc may be taken.

[6/6, 00:21] Mayur Surana Dr.: 

गतिः प्रकारो अवस्था वा इति चक्रपाणि..

[6/6, 00:32] pawan madan Dr: 

Pratiloma gati may mean in terms of disturbed function physiologically and may not be anatomically...

[6/6, 09:30] Pankaj Chhayani dr ndyad: 

What does mean by Avastha? 

Vrudhi or Kashya?

Vimarga gamana?

[6/6, 09:39] Hardik Patel KS: 

I think no acharyas have been described pratiloma kapha or pratilom pita. This term is only used for vayu.  vayu gives motion to pitta and kapha. Pitta has no this type of gati. Gati of bhrajak pitta is because of vayu. 

This is described in charak sutrasthan. Sthanapkarshan.

[6/6, 09:41] Dr Surendra A Soni: आशायापकर्ष

[6/6, 09:44] Pankaj Chhayani dr ndyad:

 वायुना यत्र नियन्ते

[6/6, 09:44] Vd Ranga Prasad Ji Chennai:

 Perfect point. 

[6/6, 09:47] Mayur Surana Dr.: 

Gati should be of every entity...vayu is niyantrak and has superlative gati but that doesn't mean others don't hv gati at all...and as I said in a broad sense going from normal is prakop (kshaya or vruddhi) and leaving its sthaan (place in this case) can happen in case of pitta and kapha too...

[6/6, 09:47] Pankaj Chhayani dr ndyad: 

Gati of Kapha and Pitta is possible in two condition.

1) Ati vrudhi of Pita and Kapha

2) Vayu

[6/6, 09:48] Vd Ranga Prasad Ji Chennai:

Exudation (praseka) is the physiological or pathological limitation of Kapha.

Without the involvement of gati of vAta, anulomana or pratilomana cannot exist from within kapha. 

Like wise pitta - udIraNa takes place within its capacity and is dependent on vAta for gati. 

[6/6, 09:49] Vd Ranga Prasad Ji Chennai: 

But the gati involved is static (within the site of pathology) and not beyond! Ain't sir?

[6/6, 09:51] Pankaj Chhayani dr ndyad: 

Yes sir, It's always in limitations.Without Vata gati is not possible

[6/6, 09:52] Dr Surendra A Soni: 

Regarding bhrajak pitta...

Gati of ushma is visible only through vaso-constriction/dilatation. Example- jware ushma , deepan after bathing,

 peetavabhasata in shakhashrita kamala etc.

 No other form is visible.

Please guide if any other.

[6/6, 09:54] Dr Surendra A Soni: 

[6/6, 09:54] D.C. Katoch sir: 

Pratilomata of Pitta or Kapha means inhibition of their normal functions due to antagonistic factors-  "ह्रासहेतु विशेषश्च"!

[6/6, 09:54] Hardik Chandra Kalal Vd: 

"JAL and Prakash have gati in brahmande

Kaf n pitta have also gati in pinde"!

[6/6, 09:55] Pankaj Chhayani dr ndyad: 

Vayu plays important role in Shakhashrita Kamala, that's given in samprapti too.

[6/6, 09:55] Dr Surendra A Soni: 

[6/6, 09:56] Pankaj Chhayani dr ndyad: 

Gati of Pitta is possible within site of pathology sue to is SARA guna.

[6/6, 09:57] Hardik Chandra Kalal Vd: 

[6/6, 09:59] Pankaj Chhayani dr ndyad: 

Kapha is Sthira and Manda.

First of all we should understand exact meaning of GATI, It  doesn't mean mere Movement.

[6/6, 09:59] Vd Ranga Prasad Ji Chennai: 

That was what I was elucidating in my previous input. 

[6/6, 10:00] Pankaj Chhayani dr ndyad: 

[6/6, 10:00] Hardik Chandra Kalal Vd: 

Gatiest vat

Gatier piita

Gati kaf

[6/6, 10:01] Dr Surendra A Soni: 

[6/6, 10:05] Pankaj Chhayani dr ndyad:  

course of the dosha through numerous form of disease in various Sthana(Dhatu etc..)

[6/6, 10:06] Hardik Chandra Kalal Vd:

 Sanskrit language's Mahanta....

[6/6, 10:07] Pankaj Chhayani dr ndyad:

Shakhashrita, Marmasandhi, koshthashrita. /Urdhava, Adha, tiryaka.

[6/6, 10:08] Mayur Surana Dr.: 

..

I quoted earlier gati means type or state and (movement obviously)...

In d context of pratiloma gati, it means not able to perform action in its state or site...it is deviated from it...it may be in any state at this stage too...either kshaya pratilom, sthaan pratilom or vruddha pratiloma...

Now what causes this pratiloma is sanga, atipravrutti, avaran or vaat 

(स्याद्   एकदेशप्रकोपणम्)

Like Bhrajak pitta has to be in twak normally...but due to any of d above causes, it may come in koshtha or marma and show its effects..

Here individual Panchbhoutik composition of each subtype needs to be understood for knowing d pathological changes...

[6/6, 10:11] Dr Surendra A Soni: 

Vata is mainly/exclusively responsible gati of kapha either physiologically- in form of lymphatic circulation

Pathologically- oedema phenomenon or praseka pratiloma vat (pran/udan).

[6/6, 10:19] Hardik Chandra Kalal Vd: 

Kshay sthan vruddhi

Urdhva adho tiryak

Kostha sakha marmasthisandi

As per agniveshji these all three type n 9 numbers of gati present in sharir by vata pitta kaf.

[6/6, 10:21] Mayur Surana Dr.: 

Yes so pratilom means, sthaan se either ways jana ( prakopa is pratilom gati in that sense) or urdhwa mai jo chahiye unka adho jana and likewise and koshthasthit ka shakha marma mai Jana or vicecersa all should be considered in pratilom gati..

Expert may differ 

[6/6, 10:29] Hardik Chandra Kalal Vd: 

[6/6, 10:46] Bhushan bhakad Vd. Nasik: Yes

[6/6, 10:47] Hardik Chandra Kalal Vd: 

Thank you sir

[6/6, 10:55] Bhushan bhakad Vd. Nasik:

Anulom means nabhi se Lekar Lom kup tak ki gati..

[6/6, 10:56] Bhushan bhakad Vd. Nasik: 

In norml state prakrit dosh, dhatu, etc k liye Yhi amulom gati hai.

[6/6, 10:56] Mayur Surana Dr.: 

प्राण की अधोगति अनुलोम गती है..

उदान की उर्ध्व गति अनुलोमन गति है...

[6/6, 11:03] Hardik Chandra Kalal Vd: 

  

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