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WDS 61: IS PHYSIOLOGICAL DELAYING THE MESTRUAL-CYCLE IS PATHOGENIC ? by Dr. Namrata Sharma, Dr. Shashi Jindal, Dr. Yogesh Gupta, Dr. Amamika Soni, Dr. Samata Tomar, Dr. Kapil Kapoor & others.

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Though this topic is not directly linked to Kayachikitsa but when such practice become a habit the origination of complex pathology occurs. These conditions must be looked into history to eradicate the ailments permanently.

 Dr. Surendra A. Soni
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[10/12, 10:59 AM] Dr Vinit Arora: 

🙏🙏🙏Namaste Gurujan...🙏🙏🙏

Yestetday a lady came and asked some ayurvedic medicine to delay her menstrual cycle for few days during Navratras, But i could not suggest any sure shot ayurveda drug for this....Can we please discuss if there are any ayurvedic means of delaying this natural process...

[10/12, 11:01 AM] Dr Namrata Sharma: 

पुष्यानुग चूर्ण+नागकेसर+मंजिष्ठा+यष्टिमधु दूध के साथ देने से peroids delay किए जा सकते हैं।अनुभूत है।
जिनकी वात कफज प्रकृति हो उनमें तो केवल पुष्यानुग से भी periods delay हो जाते हैं।

[10/12, 11:03 AM] Dr Namrata Sharma:

 साथ ही चन्दनबलालक्षादि तैल का रात्रि में शरीर पर हल्के हाथ से लगाने पर भी periods delay वात कफज प्रकृति में देखा है।

[10/12, 11:03 AM] Dr Yogesh Gupta:

 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 MAM DOES THIS WORKS ON THE SAME DAY OR TAKES TIME OF 2 - 3 DAYS ...

[10/12, 11:03 AM] Dr Namrata Sharma:

 1-1-1 चम्मच दिन में 3 बार

[10/12, 11:04 AM] Dr Namrata Sharma: 

2-3दिन पहले से दिया जाए तो अच्छा है !

[10/12, 11:04 AM] Dr Vinit Arora: 👍👍

[10/12, 11:04 AM] Dr Namrata Sharma: 

यदि समय हो तो 7 दिन पहले ही से शुरू करवा दें।

[10/12, 11:05 AM] Dr Vinit Arora: 

Thank you madam !

[10/12, 11:06 AM] Dr Namrata Sharma: 

Same day देने से  bleeding की मात्रा कम हो जाएगी लेकिन उसी दिन लेने से फायदा होने में संदेह है।

[10/12, 11:08 AM] Prof. KSR Prasad Tachnoayurveda: 

A very good question to think for a best answer.

[10/12, 11:09 AM] pawan madan Dr: 

Thanks Namarta Ji.

[10/12, 11:09 AM] Dr Yogesh Gupta: 

CAN WE ADD KAHARVA PISHTI , SPHATICA BHASMA OR MUKTA PISHTI FOR BETTER RESULTS ...?

[10/12, 11:09 AM] Dr Nikita Kakkad: 👌

[10/12, 11:10 AM] Dr Yogesh Gupta: 

ALSO MAM WHAT SHOULD BE THE ANUPAN ...

[10/12, 11:10 AM] Dr Namrata Sharma:

 हाँ बिल्कुल आप को जो भी पित्त शामक उचित लगती हो ऐसी औषधि मिला सकते हैं।
सुवर्ण गैरिक भी मिला सकते हैं।

[10/12, 11:11 AM] Dr Namrata Sharma: 

अनुपान दूध या मक्खन ।

[10/12, 11:11 AM] Dr Yogesh Gupta: 

DURVA SWARAS , DADIM SWARAS ...

[10/12, 11:12 AM] Dr Namrata Sharma: yes 

[10/12, 11:13 AM] Dr Yogesh Gupta: 

I GENERALLY ADVISE WITH DADIM SWARAS IN CASE OF THREATNED ABORTION OR SUSPECTED CASE OF MISCARRIAGE.

[10/12, 11:22 AM] Dr. Vinay Choudhary:

 We should make the pt.aware abt.the myths. After giving Stambhan ur pt. can generate arthava  udawartha. Natural urges of apan should not be stopped forcefully or by means of medicine.

[10/12, 11:23 AM] Dr. Devangi Ojha: 

Yes i agree with vinay. Pt ko samjhana chahiye ke bar bar aise prayog na kare.

[10/12, 11:24 AM] Samta Tomar Dr Jmngr: 

Cause of many upravjanya vyadhis.

[10/12, 11:35 AM] Dr Anamika: 

It is not  a good practice to postpone natural urges....in my practice I clearly say no to the patient.....

[10/12, 11:46 AM] Samta Tomar Dr Jmngr: 

ethical and shuddha chikitsa.

[10/12, 11:48 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal, Chandigarh: 

pls share  in how many pts., for how many days you have delayed menstruations and got results...?

[10/12, 11:51 AM] Samta Tomar Dr Jmngr: 

Postponed or stopped ?

[10/12, 11:53 AM] Dr. Vinay Choudhary: 👍

[10/12, 11:58 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal, Chandigarh: 

sir menstruation is not an urge,  nor it can be  stopped, not its postponement can cause udavart.

Vaginal orifice is not included in malvahi srotas, and nor menstruation is named as mala.

[10/12, 11:59 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal, Chandigarh: 

only secretory changes in endometrium can be prolonged with kaf vardhak aahar vihar and aushadh.

[10/12, 1:01 PM] Dr Namrata Sharma:

 बिल्कुल sir ये सही नहीं है कि natural urges को इन प्रकार रोका जाए।ये केवल उदावर्त को नहीं बल्कि skin disease को जन्म दे सकता है।और भी कई उपद्रव हो सकते हैं।
Pt को ये समझना बहुत जरूरी है कि कोई बहुत ही आवश्यक कार्य के लिए जो कि उनके बिना न हो सके ऐसा हो तो ही वो delay करने की दवा लें।
लेकिन ये औषधियाँ उन allopathy medicines का जो कि hormones के level पर भयंकर प्रभाव दिखाती हैं एक अच्छा और सही विकल्प बन सकती हैं।

[10/12, 1:02 PM] Dr Namrata Sharma:

 3 या 4 ही ऐसी pt थी जिनके लिए इन औषधियों का प्रयोग की था sir उनकी पूरी परिस्थितियों को समझ कर। डॉ शशि जी ।

[10/12, 1:04 PM] Dr Namrata Sharma:

 Menstruation इस delayed upto four to seven days.

[10/12, 1:09 PM] Dr Namrata Sharma: 

भारतीय समाज में आज भी स्त्रियों को बहुत कुछ compromise करने पड़ते हैं।तो उनके लिए allopathy medicines के दुष्प्रभावों से बचने के लिए ये एक अच्छा विकल्प है लेकिन केवल अत्यधिक आवश्यकता की स्थिति में ही।।

[10/12, 1:11 PM] Dr Anamika: 

Menstruation is not a natural urge but natural cycle of body......not in patient's control...but my point is that.... doctor also should not  manipulate natural cycle..... body's natural cycle will be disturbed.......Vegadharan_adharan  principle can be applied on both natural
Urges and cycle.....

[10/12, 1:17 PM] Dr Priy-ranjan Tiwari, Haridwar: 

👌 it will create aartavavahasrotodusti
[10/12, 1:56 PM] Samta Tomar Dr Jmngr: Also raktaja gulm.

[10/12, 2:06 PM] Dr Surendra A Soni: 

Dr Namrata👌👍👏

[10/12, 2:09 PM] Ranvir Rajpurohit Dr: 🙏🙏🙏
[10/12, 2:16 PM] Dr Vijay Manerikar: 

12 yrs back I tried Tab raktastambhak  of DPL 4/ day, a week before LMP on a stubborn patient and it delayed menses by one week, I believe this  rx is many times better than progesterone rx.

[10/12, 4:14 PM] Dr Kapil kapoor: 

आर्तव निष्क्रमणं क्रिया 

अपानस्य कर्म ।

If we start the stambhan yoga just few days prior to mentruation then 
⚙Because of stambhan of well formed endometrial rakta (which in turn will cause delay or ceasing that menstrual blood from coming out) will definitely cause apana vayu dushti.

if we start stambhana yoga vigorously just after the bleeding phase has stopped, then will work in a different way on the next cycle....
रसात् स्त्रिया रक्तम् 
It will cause the less formation of striya raktam , less active, relatively thin  endometrium, hence reduction or 
Delay or missed periods may occur.


[10/12, 5:04 PM] Dr Nikita Kakkad: 👍👌👌

[10/12, 5:28 PM] Vd Madhav Patade: 

Thought provoking.....

[10/12, 5:36 PM] Dr Sudha Delhi: 

Very nicely explained Dr Kapil.

[10/12, 5:38 PM] Dr Sudha Delhi: 

A very good alternate to Primault N...

[10/12, 5:38 PM] Dr Sudha Delhi: 

Thanks a lot....I needed an option in ayurved...

[10/12, 5:48 PM] Prof Hariom Gupta, Vadodara: 👌

[10/12, 7:43 PM] Dr Vinit Arora: 👍👍👍

[10/12, 8:18 PM] Janardan Hebbar Dr:

 Himalaya styplon + Ashokarishta.

[10/12, 8:40 PM] Ranvir Rajpurohit Dr:

 बार बार आर्तव के स्तम्भन करने से रक्त गुल्म होने की सम्भावना बढ़ सकती है। यह रक्तज गुल्मनक निदान है।🙏

[10/12, 8:46 PM] Ranvir Rajpurohit Dr:

 मधु,मधुक,कुंकुम,मोचरस, मृतकपाल, लोध्र,गेरू,प्रियंगु,शर्करा,लाजा को आचार्य चरक ने शोणितस्थापन महा कषाय के रूप में वर्णित किया है। क्या  इनका उपयोग आर्तव प्रवर्ति को रोकने में नही किया जा सकता ?🙏🙏

[10/12, 9:05 PM] Samta Tomar Dr Jmngr: 

Mochras and lodhra to hota Hi hai...

[10/12, 9:07 PM] Dr Shashi Jindal, Chandigarh: 

Sir I think.....

 1.Stambhak aahar vihar aushadh after D26 ie after collapse of corpus luteum(progestrone withdrawl) can be more harmful. 

2.Drugs used from D16 support corpus luteum and postepone menstruation.

otherwise also it is not for regular use.

[10/12, 9:08 PM] Ranvir Rajpurohit Dr: 🙏🙏

[10/12, 9:11 PM] Dr Amol kadu NIA, Jaipur: 👍

[10/12, 11:08 PM] Bhushan bhakad Vd. Nasik: 

मुझे लगता है यह धातु प्रदूषक चिकित्सा होती है इसलिए उसका सीधा वर्णन नहि है और ऐसी चिकित्सा करनी भी नही चाहिये।

[10/13, 4:42 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal, Chandigarh:

 sir all contraceptives, (for male or female), abortifacients etc. are dhatuprdushak, we donot want to promote all these, but some times professional have to...

[10/13, 4:44 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal, Chandigarh: 

so need of the time is choose best effective with low side effects.

[10/13, 4:47 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal, Chandigarh: 

I have only used progestogens, these donot show visible side effects, can be used in very calculative way.

[10/13, 10:21 AM] Dr Namrata Sharma:

 बिल्कुल सिर सही युक्ति का प्रयोग करके अत्यधिक आर्तव में किआ जा सकता है।उन्होंने शोणित स्थापन कहा है शोणित स्तंभन नहीं।स्थापन का अर्थ ये भी हो सकता है कि रक्त की दुष्टि किए बिना उसके उचित स्थान में उसे पहुँचा देना।









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Above discussion held on 'Kaysampraday" a Famous WhatsApp-discussion-group  of  well known Vaidyas from all over the India. 



Compiled & edited by


Dr.Surendra A. Soni


M.D.,PhD (KC)
Associate Professor
Dept. of Kaya-chikitsa
Govt. Ayurveda College
Vadodara Gujarat, India.
Email: surendraasoni@gmail.com
Mobile No. +91 9408441150

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Case-presentation: 'रेवती ग्रहबाधा चिकित्सा' (Ayu. Paediatric Management with ancient rarely used 'Grah-badha' Diagnostic Methodology) by Vd. Rajanikant Patel

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[2/25, 6:47 PM] Vd Rajnikant Patel, Surat:  रेवती ग्रह पीड़ित बालक की आयुर्वेदिक चिकित्सा:- यह बच्चा 1 साल की आयु वाला और 3 किलोग्राम वजन वाला आयुर्वेदिक सारवार लेने हेतु आया जब आया तब उसका हीमोग्लोबिन सिर्फ 3 था और परिवार गरीब होने के कारण कोई चिकित्सा कराने में असमर्थ था तो किसीने कहा कि आयुर्वेद सारवार चालू करो और हमारे पास आया । मेने रेवती ग्रह का निदान किया और ग्रह चिकित्सा शुरू की।(सुश्रुत संहिता) चिकित्सा :- अग्निमंथ, वरुण, परिभद्र, हरिद्रा, करंज इनका सम भाग चूर्ण(कश्यप संहिता) लेके रोज क्वाथ बनाके पूरे शरीर पर 30 मिनिट तक सुबह शाम सिंचन ओर सिंचन करने के पश्चात Ulundhu tailam (यह SDM सिद्धा कंपनी का तेल है जिसमे प्रमुख द्रव्य उडद का तेल है)से सर्व शरीर अभ्यंग कराया ओर अभ्यंग के पश्चात वचा,निम्ब पत्र, सरसो,बिल्ली की विष्टा ओर घोड़े के विष्टा(भैषज्य रत्नावली) से सर्व शरीर मे धूप 10-15मिनिट सुबज शाम। माता को स्तन्य शुद्धि करने की लिए त्रिफला, त्रिकटु, पिप्पली, पाठा, यस्टिमधु, वचा, जम्बू फल, देवदारु ओर सरसो इनका समभाग चूर्ण मधु के साथ सुबह शाम (कश्यप संहिता) 15 दिन की चिकित्सा के वाद
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