WDS 74: 'ANANTAVATA' (Trigeminal Neuralgia) by Dr. Pawan Mali, Prof. Satish Panda, Dr. Dinesh Katoch, Dr. Pawan Madaan, Dr. Sanjay Chhajed, Dr. Radheshyam Soni, Dr. Vinod Sharma, Prof. Giriraj Sharma, Dr. Ankur Sharma, Prof. Sadhana Babel,Dr. Shashi Jindal, Dr. Divyesh Desai & others.
[11/6, 2:20 PM] Dr. Vinod Sharma, Gajiabad:
рд╕рдЪ рддो рдпрд╣ рд╣ै рдХि рд╣рдо рд╕рднी рд▓ोрдЧ рдХिрд╕ी рди рдХिрд╕ी рд░ोрдЧ рд╕े рдЧ्рд░рд╕िрдд рд╣ैं рдХुрдЫ рдХрд╣ рджेрддे рд╣ै, рдХुрдЫ рд╕्рд╡рдпं рдХрд░ рд▓ेрддे рд╣ै, рдФрд░ рдХुрдЫ рдЭेрд▓ рд░рд╣े рд╣ैं ।
рд╕рдЪ рддो рдпрд╣ рд╣ै рдХि рд╣рдо рд╕рднी рд▓ोрдЧ рдХिрд╕ी рди рдХिрд╕ी рд░ोрдЧ рд╕े рдЧ्рд░рд╕िрдд рд╣ैं рдХुрдЫ рдХрд╣ рджेрддे рд╣ै, рдХुрдЫ рд╕्рд╡рдпं рдХрд░ рд▓ेрддे рд╣ै, рдФрд░ рдХुрдЫ рдЭेрд▓ рд░рд╣े рд╣ैं ।
рдПрдХ рдХрд╣ाрд╡рдд рдЖрдЬ рдХрд▓ рдмреЬी рдк्рд░рд╕िрдж्рд╡ рд╣ो рд░рд╣ी рд╣ै ---
No body healthy in this world,
Every one has more than Two diseases,
рдЕрднी рд╣рдоाрд░े рднी рджो рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдпों рдиे рдЕрдкрдиी рд╣िрд╕्рдЯ्рд░ी рджी рдеी ।
рдоैं рднी рдЖрдк рд╕рднी рд╢्рд░ेрд╖्рда рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдпो рд╕े рдЕрдкрдиे рдмाрд░े рдоें рдПрдХ рдЬाрдирдХाрд░ी рдЪाрд╣рддा рд╣ूँ ।
рдоैं рднी рдЖрдк рд╕рднी рд╢्рд░ेрд╖्рда рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдпो рд╕े рдЕрдкрдиे рдмाрд░े рдоें рдПрдХ рдЬाрдирдХाрд░ी рдЪाрд╣рддा рд╣ूँ ।
рддीрди рд╕ाрд▓ рд╕े рдоैं Trigeminal Neuralgia рд╕े рдкीреЬिрдд рд╣ूँ ।
рдСрдХ्рд╕ीрдЯोрд▓ 300 bd рд▓े рд░рд╣ा рд╣ूँ
рдЖрдк рд╕рднी рдЬाрдирддे рд╣ै рдХि рдХिрддрдиा рднрдпंрдХрд░ рджрд░्рдж рд╣ोрддा рд╣ै ।
рдЖрдЬ рд╕ाрд╣рд╕ рдХрд░рдХे рдЖрдк рд╕рднी рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдпों рдХा рдкрд░ाрдорд░्рд╢ рдЪाрд╣ рд░рд╣ा рд╣ूँ
рдХृрдкрдпा рдХрд░рдХे рдЕрдкрдиा рдЕрдиुрднрд╡ рд╕ाрдЭा рдХрд░рдиे рдХी рдХृрдкा рдХрд░ें ।
рд╡िрдиोрдж рд╢рд░्рдоा реЪाреЫिрдпाрдмाрдж ।
[11/6, 2:44 PM] Vd. Aashish Kumar, Lalitpur:
рдЖрдкрдХे рд╕ाрд╣рд╕ рдХो рдк्рд░рдгाрдо рд╣ै рд╕рд░ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗
рдЖрдкрдХे рд╕ाрд╣рд╕ рдХो рдк्рд░рдгाрдо рд╣ै рд╕рд░ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗
рдЖрдкрдиे рдЕрдкрдиी рд╕рдорд╕्рдпा рдмрддाрдИ рд╣ै рдЕрдм рдЬрд░ूрд░ рдпे рджूрд░ рд╣ो рдЬाрдПрдЧी, рдЧ्рд░ुрдк рдоें рдЧुрд░ुрд╡рд░ों рдХे рдЖрдк्рдд рд╡рдЪрдиों рдХा рдкाрд▓рди рдХीрдЬिрдпेрдЧा рд╕рд░ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗
рдЖрдк рдЕрдкрдиे рд░ोрдЧ рдХा рдЬिрддрдиा рд╕рдо्рднрд╡ рд╣ो рдЙрддрдиा рдЬाрдирдХाрд░ी рдПрд╡ं рд╕рдо्рдк्рд░ाрдк्рддि, рдФрд╖рдзि, рджिрдирдЪрд░्рдпा рдЖрджि рд╕рдм рдмрддाрдпे рддो рдХाрд░рдг рд╕рдордЭрдиा рдЖрд╕ाрди рд╣ोрдЧा рдФрд░ рд╕рд▓ाрд╣ рджेрдиा рднीЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗
[11/6, 3:00 PM] pawan madan Dr:
Please write the details in chronological order from last 7 to ten years.
Please write the details in chronological order from last 7 to ten years.
Also mention dashvidha pareekshya bhaav of yourself as far as possible.
[11/6, 3:13 PM] Dr. Vinod Sharma, Gajiabad:
Thank you sir, I will.
Thank you sir, I will.
[11/6, 3:16 PM] Dr. Vinod Sharma, Gajiabad:
рдЙрдд्рд╕ाрд╣ рд╡рд░्рдзрди рдХे рд▓िрдП рдмрд╣ुрдд рдмрд╣ुрдд рдзрди्рдпрд╡ाрдж् рдЖрдкрдХा рдЖрд╢ीрд╖ рднाрдИ ।
рдЙрдд्рд╕ाрд╣ рд╡рд░्рдзрди рдХे рд▓िрдП рдмрд╣ुрдд рдмрд╣ुрдд рдзрди्рдпрд╡ाрдж् рдЖрдкрдХा рдЖрд╢ीрд╖ рднाрдИ ।
рдк्рд░рддीрдХ्рд╖ा рдХрд░ рд░рд╣ा рд╣ूँ рдоाрд░्рдЧ рджрд░्рд╢рди рдХा ।
[11/6, 3:32 PM] Dr. Neetu Agrawal:
ЁЯЩП Dr. рд╡िрдиोрдж рд╢рд░्рдоा рдЧाрдЬिрдпाрдмाрдж рдХे рд╡рд░िрд╖्рда рдЖрдпुрд░्рд╡ेрджिрдХ рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕рдХ рд╣ैं рдкिрдЫрд▓े 36 рд╕ाрд▓ों рд╕े рдЧाрдЬिрдпाрдмाрдж рдоें рдк्рд░ैрдХ्рдЯिрд╕ рдХрд░ рд░рд╣े рд╣ैं рдоैंрдиे рд╕्рд╡рдпं рдПрдХ рджो рдмाрд░ рдЗрдирдХो trigeminal neuralgia рдХे рджрд░्рдж рд╕े рдкीрдб़िрдд рд╣ोрддे рд╣ुрдП рджेрдЦा рд╣ै рд╡ाрдХрдИ рдоें рдмрд╣ुрдд рднрдпंрдХрд░ рджрд░्рдж рд╣ोрддा рд╣ै рдЖрдк рд╕рднी рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдпों рд╕े рдЕрдиुрд░ोрдз рд╣ै рдХि рдЗрдирдХा рдоाрд░्рдЧрджрд░्рд╢рди рдХрд░ें ।ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗
ЁЯЩП Dr. рд╡िрдиोрдж рд╢рд░्рдоा рдЧाрдЬिрдпाрдмाрдж рдХे рд╡рд░िрд╖्рда рдЖрдпुрд░्рд╡ेрджिрдХ рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕рдХ рд╣ैं рдкिрдЫрд▓े 36 рд╕ाрд▓ों рд╕े рдЧाрдЬिрдпाрдмाрдж рдоें рдк्рд░ैрдХ्рдЯिрд╕ рдХрд░ рд░рд╣े рд╣ैं рдоैंрдиे рд╕्рд╡рдпं рдПрдХ рджो рдмाрд░ рдЗрдирдХो trigeminal neuralgia рдХे рджрд░्рдж рд╕े рдкीрдб़िрдд рд╣ोрддे рд╣ुрдП рджेрдЦा рд╣ै рд╡ाрдХрдИ рдоें рдмрд╣ुрдд рднрдпंрдХрд░ рджрд░्рдж рд╣ोрддा рд╣ै рдЖрдк рд╕рднी рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдпों рд╕े рдЕрдиुрд░ोрдз рд╣ै рдХि рдЗрдирдХा рдоाрд░्рдЧрджрд░्рд╢рди рдХрд░ें ।ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗
[11/6, 3:57 PM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
Pratimarsh Nasya, after teeth brushing, defecation, mental or physical work kawal, with warm til tail, 1tsf castor oil after meals with warm milk . ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
Pratimarsh Nasya, after teeth brushing, defecation, mental or physical work kawal, with warm til tail, 1tsf castor oil after meals with warm milk . ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
[11/6, 4:38 PM] Prof. Satish Panda K. C:
рдЖрдк рдХी рдк्рд░рдХृрддि рдЖрджि рдеोреЬा рдЬाрдирдХाрд░ी рджेрдиे рдХा рдХрд╖्рдЯ рдХрд░ें ।
рдЖрдк рдХी рдк्рд░рдХृрддि рдЖрджि рдеोреЬा рдЬाрдирдХाрд░ी рджेрдиे рдХा рдХрд╖्рдЯ рдХрд░ें ।
[11/6, 5:11 PM] Dr Pankaj Chhayani:
See Falashruti of Vatsanabha in RasaTarangini... Vatsanabha is indicated in trigeminal neuralgia.
See Falashruti of Vatsanabha in RasaTarangini... Vatsanabha is indicated in trigeminal neuralgia.
[11/6, 5:24 PM] Dr Rajanish Pathak:
It's mean all vatsnabh containing drugs work in Trigeminal neuralgia.
It's mean all vatsnabh containing drugs work in Trigeminal neuralgia.
[11/6, 5:44 PM] Dr Pankaj Chhayani:
we use Sanjivani vati, Tribhuvan Kirti Rasa along with Agnikarma and get good results.
we use Sanjivani vati, Tribhuvan Kirti Rasa along with Agnikarma and get good results.
[11/6, 5:58 PM] Dr Rupinder Kaur:
Snayushoolhar churan
Snayushoolhar churan
Described in bheshjya ratnawali under snayurogadhikaar
In this chapter snayu is ment for nerves
Once discussed on this platform also and was said to be very effective.
[11/6, 5:59 PM] Dr Rajanish Pathak:
One patient has much old >10yrs TN case.....
1-2times burning/tearing/pain occur in a day or 3-4times in week....
is drugs effective in such long duration case....?
He had used carbamazapine /oxmazetal 300mg for long time but due to many side effects...
He left all.... But faced that pain since 3yrs after stopping drugs.
One patient has much old >10yrs TN case.....
1-2times burning/tearing/pain occur in a day or 3-4times in week....
is drugs effective in such long duration case....?
He had used carbamazapine /oxmazetal 300mg for long time but due to many side effects...
He left all.... But faced that pain since 3yrs after stopping drugs.
[11/6, 7:37 PM] Dr Ankur Sharma, Delhi:
Has Anybody used vaatkulantak ras in cases of neuralgia ?
Has Anybody used vaatkulantak ras in cases of neuralgia ?
Trigeminal neuralgia etc. ?
Haarsingaar ras is also good for neuralgia.
[11/6, 7:38 PM] L. k. Dwivedi Sir:
ЁЯЩПЁЯХЙЁЯЩПЁЯдФ
ЁЯЩПЁЯХЙЁЯЩПЁЯдФ
For Pain management some different types are there, so different Rasa yogas are there, which content visha or upvisha.
It's better for practicing Rasa Cikitsa, refer RASA tarangini cheptor 24 here Amayika prayoga and Roganusar Anupan etc.
Another book is ,"RasaCikitsa" by- Prabhakar Catarji.Pl.
ThanksЁЯЩПЁЯХЙЁЯЩПЁЯдФ
[11/6, 8:05 PM] Dr. Vinod Sharma, Gajiabad:
рдЖрджрд░рдгीрдп рдк्рд░рд╡рд░ рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдп рдЧрдг !
рдЖрджрд░рдгीрдп рдк्рд░рд╡рд░ рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдп рдЧрдг !
рдоेрд░ी рдк्рд░рдХृрддि --рдкैрдд्рддिрдХ
рджोрд╖ - рд╡ाрдд
рджोрд╖ - рд╡ाрдд
рдиाреЬी -рдкैрдд्рддिрдХ 72 рддो 84
рдорд▓ - рд╕ाрдоाрди्рдп
рдоूрдд्рд░ - рд╕ाрдоाрди्рдп
рдоूрдд्рд░ - рд╕ाрдоाрди्рдп
рдЬिрд╡्рд╣ा - рдеोреЬी рдХोрдЯेрдб
рджृрдЧ --рд╕ाрдоाрди्рдп
рдмрд▓ - рдордз्рдпрдо
Loop has compress the Trigeminal nerve .
Yes ---Diabetes under control.
HTN -- mild 145 to 150 / upto 95.
HTN may be bcoz of Age.
Regards to all acharya gan.
[11/6, 8:06 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
Loop or aneurysm ?
Loop or aneurysm ?
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[11/6, 8:08 PM] Dr Ashutosh Pandya:
Yashtimadhu churna very good as an adjuvant in neuralgic headache.
Yashtimadhu churna very good as an adjuvant in neuralgic headache.
[11/6, 8:12 PM] Dr Ashwini Kumar Sood, Ambala:
Berry aneurysm is a accidental finding without any complaints , what are the presenting complaints ? Sent CT/MRI reports if possible.
Berry aneurysm is a accidental finding without any complaints , what are the presenting complaints ? Sent CT/MRI reports if possible.
[11/6, 8:15 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
In condition of vascular compression..... classical Virechan karma may be a good choice...
In condition of vascular compression..... classical Virechan karma may be a good choice...
Post sansarjan regular snehan deepan vatanuloman principally.
Got opportunity to treat various TN patients. Used Brahmi and ashwagandha ghrita, MV vidhwansan ras etc routine deepan pachan drugs.
Didn't eradicate completely. Episodes reoccur with vatprakop kal/nidan/stress etc. Able to tapper down antiepileptic in 1 patient but now no information about him.
ЁЯЩПЁЯМ╗
[11/6, 8:16 PM] Mahesh Patil Dr B. N:
Sir, nasya with yastimadhu ghrita may be tried instead of plane yastimadhu churna orally.
Sir, nasya with yastimadhu ghrita may be tried instead of plane yastimadhu churna orally.
[11/6, 8:18 PM] Dr. Vinod Sharma, Gajiabad:
Sir loop,
Sir loop,
MRI REPORT says.
No aneurism sir.
[11/6, 8:23 PM] Dr Ashwini Kumar Sood, Ambala:
Loop may be atypical variant of anatomical vascular distribution in circle of Willis, if pt has no symptom no treatment is recommended.
Loop may be atypical variant of anatomical vascular distribution in circle of Willis, if pt has no symptom no treatment is recommended.
[11/6, 8:30 PM] Dr. Vinod Sharma, Gajiabad:
Thank you so much Sir, will try the principles.
Thank you so much Sir, will try the principles.
[11/6, 8:38 PM] Dr. Vinod Sharma, Gajiabad:
Sir, present complains are-- moderate to severe pain episodes like electric currents on rt mandible nd at molar nd premolars region.
Sir, present complains are-- moderate to severe pain episodes like electric currents on rt mandible nd at molar nd premolars region.
Brushing on teeth, shaving, face washing, masticating of foods nd even speaking also some times.
Severe burning sensation is a major problem sir. It took from second to 1 minute.
It's so severe can't explain .
Thank you so much sir.
[11/6, 8:43 PM] Dr Ashwini Kumar Sood, Ambala:
Very valuable information Dr Soni.
Very valuable information Dr Soni.
[11/6, 8:46 PM] Dr Ashwini Kumar Sood, Ambala:
It means it's a neuronal compression rather than vascular as no ischemic symptoms are present.
It means it's a neuronal compression rather than vascular as no ischemic symptoms are present.
[11/6, 8:48 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
рдЙрдкрд╡ाрд╕ाрддिрд╢ोрдХाрддिрд░ूрдХ्рд╖рд╢ीрддाрд▓्рдкрднोрдЬрдиैःрез ।)
рджुрд╖्рдЯा рджोрд╖ाрд╕्рдд्рд░рдпो рдорди्рдпाрдкрд╢्рдЪाрдж्рдШाрдЯाрд╕ुреи рд╡ेрджрдиाрдо् ॥реорек॥
рддीрд╡्рд░ां рдХुрд░्рд╡рди्рддि рд╕ाрей рдЪाрдХ्рд╖िрдн्рд░ूрд╢рдЩ्рдЦेрд╖्рд╡рд╡рддिрд╖्рдарддे ।
рд╕्рдкрди्рджрдиं рдЧрдг्рдбрдкाрд░्рд╢्рд╡рд╕्рдп рдиेрдд्рд░рд░ोрдЧं рд╣рдиुрдЧ्рд░рд╣рдо् ॥реорел॥
рд╕ोрд╜рдирди्рддрд╡ाрддрд╕्рддं рд╣рди्рдпाрдд् рд╕िрд░ाрд░्рдХाрд╡рд░्рддрдиाрд╢рдиैः ।
Ch. Si. 9
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[11/6, 8:53 PM] Prof. Satish Panda K. C:
Shirasuladi vajra ras, sanjeewani vati, godanti bhasma, shutasekhar rasa, kaishore guggulu(рдкिрдд्рдд рд╡ाрдд)
Shirasuladi vajra ras, sanjeewani vati, godanti bhasma, shutasekhar rasa, kaishore guggulu(рдкिрдд्рдд рд╡ाрдд)
Mix рдХрд░ рдХे рд▓े рдЕрд╢्рд╡рдЧंрдзा рдШृрдд рдХे рд╕ाрде। TN рдоें mylein sheath regeneration рдоें рдЕрд╢्рд╡рдЧंрдзा рдШृрдд рдХा рдЕрдЪ्рдЫा action рд╣े। TN рдоें sheath рднी damage рдоिрд▓рддा рд╣ै।
Nasya sadbindu tail рд╕े 7 days।
рдлिрд░ рдХ्рд╖ीрд░рд╡ाрд▓ рддैрд▓ рд╕े рдирд╕्рдп рдХो continue рдХрд░े।рдирд╕्рдп рдХे рддुрд░ंрдд рдмाрдж рд╕ुрдЦी рдХрдирдХ рдХे рдкрдд्рд░ рдпा рдХांрдб рдХा рдзूрдо рд▓े рд╕рдХे рддो рдЕрдЪ्рдЫा pain рдХрдо рд╣ोрдЧा।
рддेрдЬ pain attack night рдоें рдЙрд╖्рдг рд╡िрд╖рдЧрд░्рдн рддैрд▓ рдХा рдХрд░्рдг рдкुрд░ाрди рджे। loop decompress рдЗрд╕рд╕े рдХрдо рд╣ो рдХрд░ pain рдХрдо рд╣ो рдЬाрдПрдЧा।
Daily рдЕрд▓्рдк рдЙрд╖्рдг рдмрд▓ा рддैрд▓ рдХा рдкिрдЪू рджे। attack long duration рдЖрдПрдЧा।
Daily meditation рдХा рдЕрдн्рдпाрд╕ рдХрд░ें, рдЗрд╕рд╕े stress рдХрдо рдХрд░рдиे рдоें рд╕рд╣ाрдпрдХ рд╣ोрдЧा।
[11/6, 8:59 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
TN Neuronal compression by vascular or we can say engorged vasculature that is generating neuronal discharge/interaction within TN that causes electric like pain with current.
TN Neuronal compression by vascular or we can say engorged vasculature that is generating neuronal discharge/interaction within TN that causes electric like pain with current.
That's why modern suppresses these interaction by antiepileptic drugs that is a symptomatic Rx only.
ЁЯЩПЁЯШМЁЯМ╣
[11/6, 8:59 PM] pawan madan Dr:
рдзрди्рдпрд╡ाрдж рд╕рддीрд╢ рдЬी।
рдзрди्рдпрд╡ाрдж рд╕рддीрд╢ рдЬी।
ЁЯЩП
[11/6, 9:00 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
ЁЯСМЁЯП╗ЁЯСНЁЯП╗ЁЯЩП рд╕рддीрд╢ рдЬी ।
ЁЯСМЁЯП╗ЁЯСНЁЯП╗ЁЯЩП рд╕рддीрд╢ рдЬी ।
[11/6, 9:06 PM] pawan madan Dr:
From all the history given till now it seems to be a case of pitta aavritta vaata.
From all the history given till now it seems to be a case of pitta aavritta vaata.
So direct vaata shaamak aushadhi s don't work.
Use kamdudha 1 gm TDs initially.
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[11/6, 9:09 PM] Dr. Vinod Sharma, Gajiabad:
Exactly sir .
Exactly sir .
Thank you so much.
[11/6, 9:18 PM] Dr Bharat Padhar, Jaipur:
I mostly prefer to prescribe following medicine and got results in few patients:
I mostly prefer to prescribe following medicine and got results in few patients:
Pathyadikwath 40 ml+ gud
Godanti 500mg+2 gms Pippalimula
Kusmand Avaleha 10 gms before lunch and dinner.
Only two times food...
For first 7 days avoid milk products and roti etc..
Sirf Daal, Chaval, Mudga, khichari...
Shrutshita Jala...
15-30 minutes meditation
Goghrit se shirobhyang before 1 hour ago of lunch...
[11/6, 9:53 PM] Dr Ashwini Kumar Sood, Ambala:
Absolutely right satish sir ЁЯСМЁЯП╝
Absolutely right satish sir ЁЯСМЁЯП╝
Microvascular surgery is ultimate treatment for reliving compressions.
[11/7, 6:20 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝sir, is it right side or left side ??
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝sir, is it right side or left side ??
[11/7, 8:08 AM] pawan madan Dr:
Good morning every one....ЁЯЩПЁЯЩП
Good morning every one....ЁЯЩПЁЯЩП
*рддрд╕्рдоाрдж्рджोрд╖ौрд╖рдзाрджीрдиि рдкрд░ीрдХ्рд╖्рдп рджрд╢ рддрдд्рдд्рд╡рддः ॥рейреирем॥*
*рдХुрд░्рдпाрдЪ्рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕िрддं рдк्рд░ाрдЬ्рдЮो рди рдпोрдЧैрд░ेрд╡ рдХेрд╡рд▓рдо् ।*
*If we only treat the patient by the Yoga (medicine) without considering the Dash pareekshy bhaava then definitely it's a hit and trial method and it's a short term success only.*
*рд╕рдоीрдХ्рд╖्рдп рджोрд╖ौрд╖рдзрджेрд╢рдХाрд▓рд╕ाрдд्рдо्рдпाрдЧ्рдиिрд╕рдд्рдд्рд╡ौрдХрд╡рдпोрдмрд▓ाрдиि (рд╕ि.рдЕ.рей)*
*This is the most important line to memorize and use in every case.*
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[11/7, 9:17 AM] Vd Pratibha Navani:
Respected Sir !
Trigeminal neuralgia is mostly compared to anantvata which is tridoshaj hence the treatment plan of Trigeminal
Respected Sir !
Trigeminal neuralgia is mostly compared to anantvata which is tridoshaj hence the treatment plan of Trigeminal
neuralgia is based on pacifying tridosha here the cheif complain is severe pain hence this condition is vata pradhana tridoshaj condition if as prakriti is pittapradha there is predominance of pitta too
Following treatment plan can be followed....
First day sadyovirechan with 30 gm of avipattikar churna and 70 ml of eranhastadi kwath
For consequetive 7 days mukha- bhayang with asanbilvadi taila followed by swedan with panas patra followed by sodhan nasya with karapasthyadi tailam 8 drops in each nostril diet should be vata pitta har like ghrita Audan or ksheer audan along with dashmool kwath
After nasya chikitsa following treatment plan can be followed...
1. Kaval and gandush with arimedadi thailam
2. dhanadanyadi kashayam 30 ml tds
3. ksheerabala 101 pratimarsh nasya (2drops in each nostril
ksheerabala 101 with milk at night.
4. brihat vata chintamani rasa 1 tab bd
5. Cap.palcineuron 2 bd
6. Avipattikar churna 5gm HS
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3. ksheerabala 101 pratimarsh nasya (2drops in each nostril
ksheerabala 101 with milk at night.
4. brihat vata chintamani rasa 1 tab bd
5. Cap.palcineuron 2 bd
6. Avipattikar churna 5gm HS
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[11/7, 9:52 AM] Dr. Sadhana Babel, Pune:
Rasraj ras, sahastraputi or shtputi abhrak, godanti vacha brhmi combination
Rasraj ras, sahastraputi or shtputi abhrak, godanti vacha brhmi combination
With (if you can take nonveg
Then bruhatchhagladya ghrut)
Or mahakalyank
Ekangvir, dashmoolarishta mahayograj guggulu
Virechan
Nasya with bruhatchhagladya or mahakalyanak ghrita.
There are two adhyay in bhaishajya ratnavali on mastishk vyadhi.
[11/7, 10:02 AM] Dr Rahul Pathania:
I have seen improvements with triphala ghrit akshi tarpan also.
I have seen improvements with triphala ghrit akshi tarpan also.
[11/7, 12:01 PM] Dr. Vinod Sharma, Gajiabad:
Exactly , Shashi ji .
Exactly , Shashi ji .
It's arterial loop as told in AIIMS DELHI .
Main thing is ---
Decompression of TN nerve .
Reduce the Arterial pressure .
I think these two measure can reduce the Pain .
Regards .
[11/7, 12:03 PM] Dr. Vinod Sharma, Gajiabad:
Right side Shashi ji .
Right side Shashi ji .
[11/7, 12:04 PM] Dr Ankur Sharma, Delhi:
Ayurvedic mal
Ayurvedic mal
Mutra virechak
May be helpful in
Reducing arterial pressure .
Low salt intake.
[11/7, 12:43 PM] Pawan mali Dr. Delhi:
I had a opportunity to treat case of T. neuralgia ...I am sharing details of case which I have recorded in his own words few months back .sorry for different mode of case presentation (in video)as mentioned by soni sir ...but since these are rare cases.. and no objective parameter for same ..i am sharing case for his clinical feature and my prescription of same...he got marked improvement in his pain...but in vinod sirs case along with my case
I had a opportunity to treat case of T. neuralgia ...I am sharing details of case which I have recorded in his own words few months back .sorry for different mode of case presentation (in video)as mentioned by soni sir ...but since these are rare cases.. and no objective parameter for same ..i am sharing case for his clinical feature and my prescription of same...he got marked improvement in his pain...but in vinod sirs case along with my case
..samprptivighatan of arterial loop is necessary along with above prescription ..so kaishor guggulu and nitya virechan is advised...
NASYA with ksheerbal and gandush with til oil is advised along with same.
Original Prescription-
Original Prescription-
Patient's Video
[11/7, 12:45 PM] Dr. Vinod Sharma, Gajiabad:
Naman Sadhana ji .
Naman Sadhana ji .
Thank you so much.
I M vegetarian. but I may take it as medicine .
Pranaam aapko.
[11/7, 12:47 PM] Pawan mali Dr. Delhi:
Shirashuladi vajra rasa is useful in symptomatic management of pain... even one patient if brain tumour is on treatment.. he get relief in pain with S.S.v rasa... which was not getting relieved with allo treatment.
Shirashuladi vajra rasa is useful in symptomatic management of pain... even one patient if brain tumour is on treatment.. he get relief in pain with S.S.v rasa... which was not getting relieved with allo treatment.
[11/7, 12:58 PM] Dr Ankur Sharma, Delhi:
Unfortunately i never got significant results with shirsholadi vajr ras in cases of vascular headache
Unfortunately i never got significant results with shirsholadi vajr ras in cases of vascular headache
Now a days
People salt and sugar intake is increased drastically in comparison to prehistoric era.
Our forefathers didn't take such huge quantity
Of artificial sugar and salt
They fed on natural source of sugar and salt.
No doubt it alter our metabolism.
[11/7, 1:03 PM] Dr. Sadhana Babel, Pune:
Shirshuladi along with pathyadi we r using
Shirshuladi along with pathyadi we r using
Shadbindu tel nasy
[11/7, 1:07 PM] Dr Ankur Sharma, Delhi:
Dr Pawan Mali Sir !
Fantastic results
Dr Pawan Mali Sir !
Fantastic results
God bless you sir
For such great job
You save his life
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[11/7, 1:09 PM] Dr Ankur Sharma, Delhi:
In this prescription, it seems he took treatment 2 month.
In this prescription, it seems he took treatment 2 month.
Would u tell exactly after starting rx, how many days he became feel better ???
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[11/7, 1:22 PM] Pawan mali Dr. Delhi:
He was on treatment since last one and half year with minor changes... he started gradual improvement in symptoms after one month..
He was on treatment since last one and half year with minor changes... he started gradual improvement in symptoms after one month..
[11/7, 1:23 PM] Pawan mali Dr. Delhi:
Generally I prescribe Along with pathyadi kwath.
Dr. Ankur !
Generally I prescribe Along with pathyadi kwath.
Dr. Ankur !
[11/7, 1:25 PM] Dr. Vinod Sharma, Gajiabad:
Thank you so much Dr Pawan sir .
Thank you so much Dr Pawan sir .
Such a beautiful nd result oriented tt .
Hat'off sir .
[11/7, 1:37 PM] D C Katoch Sir:
For vascular headache - best, safe and fast acting combination is Godanti Bhasm 500 mg+ Praval Pishti 250 mg with Pippalamool Churna in Vaatkaphaj type and with Amarsundari Vati or Tagaradi Kwath in Paittik type. In chronic such headache postdana ksheer pak is best vascular stabilizer.
For vascular headache - best, safe and fast acting combination is Godanti Bhasm 500 mg+ Praval Pishti 250 mg with Pippalamool Churna in Vaatkaphaj type and with Amarsundari Vati or Tagaradi Kwath in Paittik type. In chronic such headache postdana ksheer pak is best vascular stabilizer.
[11/7, 2:18 PM] Dr Rajanish Pathak:
Dasmool tail v prayukta hota hai kya nasya hetu.... Shalakya vale prayog me late hain.
Dasmool tail v prayukta hota hai kya nasya hetu.... Shalakya vale prayog me late hain.
Ekangveer rasa ka bhi prayog hota..
[11/7, 2:38 PM] Dr Naresh Garg, Jaipur:
рд╢िрд░рд╢ूрд▓ाрджि рд╡рдЬ्рд░ рд░рд╕ рдХे рд╕ाрде рдоें cephagrain рдЯेрдмрд▓ेрдЯ рдХे рд╕िрд░ рд╢ूрд▓ рдоें рдХाрдлी рдЕрдЪ्рдЫे рд░िрдЬрд▓्рдЯ्рд╕ рдоिрд▓े рд╣ैं рдХुрдЫ рдкेрд╢ेंрдЯ рдоें рд╕ाрде рдоें рд╕ूрддрд╢ेрдЦрд░ рд░рд╕ рднी рдк्рд░рдпोрдЧ рдХिрдпा рд╣ै ।
рд╢िрд░рд╢ूрд▓ाрджि рд╡рдЬ्рд░ рд░рд╕ рдХे рд╕ाрде рдоें cephagrain рдЯेрдмрд▓ेрдЯ рдХे рд╕िрд░ рд╢ूрд▓ рдоें рдХाрдлी рдЕрдЪ्рдЫे рд░िрдЬрд▓्рдЯ्рд╕ рдоिрд▓े рд╣ैं рдХुрдЫ рдкेрд╢ेंрдЯ рдоें рд╕ाрде рдоें рд╕ूрддрд╢ेрдЦрд░ рд░рд╕ рднी рдк्рд░рдпोрдЧ рдХिрдпा рд╣ै ।
[11/7, 2:49 PM] Dr Naresh Garg, Jaipur:
рдирдорд╕्рдХाрд░ рдкрд╡рди рд╕рд░ !
рдХृрдкрдпा рдЖрдк рдЗрд╕ рд╡्рдпрд╡рд╕्рдеा рдкрдд्рд░ рдХे рдХ्рд░рдоाрдиुрд╕ाрд░ рджрд╡ाрдЗрдпां рд▓िрдЦ рджे рддो рд╕рдм рд╕рдордЭ рдоें рдЖ рд╕рдХрддा рд╣ै ।
рдирдорд╕्рдХाрд░ рдкрд╡рди рд╕рд░ !
рдХृрдкрдпा рдЖрдк рдЗрд╕ рд╡्рдпрд╡рд╕्рдеा рдкрдд्рд░ рдХे рдХ्рд░рдоाрдиुрд╕ाрд░ рджрд╡ाрдЗрдпां рд▓िрдЦ рджे рддो рд╕рдм рд╕рдордЭ рдоें рдЖ рд╕рдХрддा рд╣ै ।
[11/7, 2:49 PM] Dr. Sadhana Babel, Pune:
As it (рд╕ूрддрд╕ेрдЦрд░) contains Tamra grochana and bhringraj bhavana
As it (рд╕ूрддрд╕ेрдЦрд░) contains Tamra grochana and bhringraj bhavana
It is useful in pittashmari too...
[11/7, 2:51 PM] Dr Rajanish Pathak:
I m using same along with pathyadi kasaya.
I m using same along with pathyadi kasaya.
[11/7, 4:26 PM] Pawan mali Dr. Delhi:
Yograj guggulu,
ashwagandha+godanti+ekanveer rasa,
refit tab
pathyadikwath with jaggary, shankhapushpi syp,
shirashuladivara Rasa and
ksheerbala cap 101
in morning..pratimarsha nasya with ksheerbala /ghrit,
gandoosh with til oil
Dr Naresh !
Yograj guggulu,
ashwagandha+godanti+ekanveer rasa,
refit tab
pathyadikwath with jaggary, shankhapushpi syp,
shirashuladivara Rasa and
ksheerbala cap 101
in morning..pratimarsha nasya with ksheerbala /ghrit,
gandoosh with til oil
Dr Naresh !
[11/7, 5:58 PM] Dr Manu Vats, Patiala:
Fortunately my experience is opposite Sir..
Fortunately my experience is opposite Sir..
I use shirshoolvati along sootsekhar.. and Kamdugdha muktayukt before meal..
Shirshoolhar churna (ustkhdoos, dhaniya, kalimirch) 1 tsf overnight dipped in water .. And take empty stomach in morning..
Never get failure.. Even if someone on Allopathic .. that is stopped very soon.
Dr. Ankur !
Dr. Ankur !
[11/7, 6:03 PM] Prof Prakash Kabbra, Nagpur:
Any one Acharya of the group had tried Jalaukavacharan in Trigeminal neuralgia ?
Any one Acharya of the group had tried Jalaukavacharan in Trigeminal neuralgia ?
[11/7, 6:11 PM] Dr. Vinod Sharma, Gajiabad:
Very good question indeed .
Very good question indeed .
Please share if any one has .
Dr Pawan mali sir also recommend jalauka avacharan .
Regards to all acharyas .
[11/7, 6:56 PM] Dr Divyesh Desai:
рд╕рд░, рдоैंрдиे рд╢िрд░ःрд╢ूрд▓ рдХे 3 pts рдоें рдЕрдкांрдЧ рд╕िрд░ा рд╕े рдпा рддो jugular vein рд╕े рд░рдХ्рддрдоोрдХ्рд╖рдг рдХिрдпा рд╣ै,
рд╕рд░, рдоैंрдиे рд╢िрд░ःрд╢ूрд▓ рдХे 3 pts рдоें рдЕрдкांрдЧ рд╕िрд░ा рд╕े рдпा рддो jugular vein рд╕े рд░рдХ्рддрдоोрдХ्рд╖рдг рдХिрдпा рд╣ै,
рддीрдиो рдоें рддрдд्рдХाрд▓ рд╢рдорди рдоिрд▓ा рдеा !
рдмाрдХी рд╕ाрд░ी рдоेрдбिрд╕िрди рддो рд╕рдо्рдк्рд░ाрдк्рддि рдмрдиाрдХрд░ рд╣ी рджेрдиी рдкреЬрддी рд╣ै, рдЖрдпुрд░्рд╡ेрдж DIARY рдк्рд░ैрдХ्рдЯिрд╕ рдХो рдПрдбрд╡ोрдХेрдЯ рдирд╣ी рдХрд░рддी, cervicogenic headache рднी рдХिрд╕ीрдХो severe рд╣ोрддा рд╣ै рдоें рддो рдорд░ीрдЬ рдХो рдпे рдХрд╣рддा рд╣ूँ рдХि рдЕрдЧ्рдиिрдХрд░्рдо рд░рдХ्рддрдоोрдХ्рд╖рдг, рдк्рд░рдзрдорди рдирд╕्рдп, рдоाрдд्рд░ा рдмрд╕्рддी рд╣рдоाрд░े рдЗрдорд░рдЬेंрд╕ी рдк्рд░ोрд╕ीрдЬрд░ рд╣ै, рдЕрди्рдпрдеा рдиिрджाрди рдкрд░िрд╡рд░्рдЬрди рдУрд░ рд╕рдо्рдк्рд░ाрдк्рддि рд╡िрдШрдЯрди рддो рдХрд░рдиा рд╣ी рдХрд░рдиा рд╣ै।।।
рдЬрдп рдЖрдпुрд░्рд╡ेрдж, рдЬрдп рдзрди्рд╡рди्рддрд░ि।।
[11/7, 9:47 PM] Prof Mamata Bhagwat:
I treat trigeminal neuralgia with..
I treat trigeminal neuralgia with..
1. Dhanvantaram taila pratimarsha nasya at least 5 - 6 times a day..
2. Drakshadi kashaya and Vaasa guduchyadi kashaya.
3. shirashuladi vajra rasa.
Apart from this.
4. Tab Dologran or Cephagraine. As required.
My principle is to clear Ama, vibandha.
Restore anulomana and Agni Deepti,
Restore anulomana and Agni Deepti,
Pitta and vata shamana. Dhanvantaram taila/ Dhanwantaram 101 avartita helps in this regard.
If they tolerate I opt for navana nasya also.
If they tolerate I opt for navana nasya also.
[11/7, 10:20 PM] Dr Divyesh Desai:
рдЬрдм рд╢िрд░ःрд╢ूрд▓ severe рд╣ै, рддрднी рдХुрдЫ рдоीрдаा рдЦिрд▓ाрдХрд░ рд░рдХ्рддрдоोрдХ्рд╖рдг рдХрд░рдиे рд╕े 5 рдпा 10 ml рд░рдХ्рдд рдХा рдиिрд░्рд╣рд░рдг рд╣ोрдиे рдХे рдмाрдж pt рдХा рд╢िрд░ःрд╢ूрд▓ рдЧाрдпрдм рд╣ो рдЬाрддा рд╣ै рдФрд░ pt рдХो рдиींрдж рднी рдЖ рдЬाрддी рд╣ै।।
рдЬрдм рд╢िрд░ःрд╢ूрд▓ severe рд╣ै, рддрднी рдХुрдЫ рдоीрдаा рдЦिрд▓ाрдХрд░ рд░рдХ्рддрдоोрдХ्рд╖рдг рдХрд░рдиे рд╕े 5 рдпा 10 ml рд░рдХ्рдд рдХा рдиिрд░्рд╣рд░рдг рд╣ोрдиे рдХे рдмाрдж pt рдХा рд╢िрд░ःрд╢ूрд▓ рдЧाрдпрдм рд╣ो рдЬाрддा рд╣ै рдФрд░ pt рдХो рдиींрдж рднी рдЖ рдЬाрддी рд╣ै।।
рдУрд░ рдк्рд░ोрд╕ीрдЬрд░ рдЦрдд्рдо рд╣ोрдиे рдХे рдмाрдж Vitals рдЪेрдХ рдХрд░рдиे рдХे рдмाрдж рдЖрд░ाрдо рдХे рд▓िрдП рдХрд╣рддे рд╣ै рддो 1 рдпा 2 рдШрдг्рдЯे рддрдХ рдиींрдж рдЖ рдЬाрддी рд╣ै рдФрд░ рдЙрдардиे рдХे рдмाрдж рдл्рд░ेрд╢рдиेрд╕ feel рдХрд░рддा рд╣ै।
рдмाрдж рдоें рд╣ेрддु рд╡िрдкрд░ीрдд рдУрд░ рдиिрджाрди рдкрд░िрд╡рд░्рдЬрди рд╣िрд╕्рдЯ्рд░ी рдХे рд╣िрд╕ाрдм рд╕े рдХрд░рддे рд╣ैं।
[11/7, 10:27 PM] Dr. Rituraj Verma:
рд╢िрд░рд╢ूрд▓ (migraine)
рд╢िрд░рд╢ूрд▓ (migraine)
рд╕ुрддрд╢ेрдЦрд░ рд░рд╕ with рдкрде्рдпाрджि рдХाреЬा
рдЕрдЧрд░ vomit рдХे рдмाрдж рд╢िрд░рд╢ूрд▓ рдХрдо рд╣ोрдЬाрддा рд╣ो рддो рд▓рдШुрд╕ुрддрд╢ेрдЦрд░ with рдкрде्рдпाрджि рдХाреЬा
рд╡ाрддрдЬ рд╢िрд░рд╢ूрд▓ рд╣ो рддो рдорд╣рд╡ाрддрд╡िрдз्рд╡ंрд╕ with рджрд╢рдоूрд▓ाрд░िрд╖्рдЯ
рдЗрдирдХे рдкрд░िрдгाрдо рдмрд╣ुрдд рдЙрдд्рддрдо рдоिрд▓рддे рд╣ै рдЕрдиुрднрд╡ рд░рд╣ा рд╣ै।
рдирд╕्рдп -рдХेрд╕рд░ рд╕िрдж्рдз рдШृрдд
рд╕ाрде рдоे tab maigeacal 1 bd
[11/8, 11:27 PM] Dr. R S. Soni, Delhi:
For Trigeminal neuralgia
42 рд╡рд░्рд╖ीрдп рд╕्рдд्рд░ी рд░ुрдЧ्рдг, рд╡ाрдд рдкैрдд्рддिрдХ рдк्рд░рдХृрддि, рдордз्рдпрдо рд╕рд╣рдирдиं, рдЬिрд╕े рд╡ाрдо рдЧंрдб рдк्рд░рджेрд╢ рдоें 2 рд╡рд░्рд╖ों рд╕े рджाрд╣ рдпुрдХ्рдд рдкीреЬा рд╣ोрддी рдеी।
рд░ोрдЧी рдХे рдЕрдиुрд╕ाрд░ рдЙрд╕े рджंрдд рд╡िрдХाрд░ рдеा, рдЬिрд╕े рджंрдд рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕рдХ рдиे рдПрдХ рд╕ाрде 4 рджांрддो рдоें RCT рдХी। рддрдм рд╕े рд╣ी рдЙрд╕े рдпे рдкीреЬा рд╣ो рд░рд╣ी рдеी।
рд░ुрдЧ्рдгा рдиे рдЗрд╕рдХी рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ा рди्рдпूрд░ोрд▓ॉрдЬिрд╕्рдЯ рд╕े рдХрд░рд╡ाрдИ, рдЬिрд╕рдоें рдЙрд╕े рд╕्рдЯेрд░ॉрдпрдб рдХे рд╕ाрде segitol рдХी рдоाрдд्рд░ा рджिрди рдоें 3 рдмाрд░ рджी рдЬा рд░рд╣ी рдеी, рдХिрди्рддु рд╡िрд╢ेрд╖ рд▓ाрдн рдирд╣ीं рдеा। рдЗрд╕рд▓िрдпे рдЙрд╕рдиे рдЖрдпुрд░्рд╡ेрдж рдХी рд╢рд░рдг рд▓ी।
рдиिрджाрди- рд╢рд▓्рдп рдХрд░्рдо рдЬрди्рдп рд╡ाрдд рдк्рд░рдХोрдк
рджोрд╖- рд╡ाрдд, рдкिрдд्рдд
рджूрд╖्рдп- рд░рдХ्рдд, рдоेрдж
рд╕्рдеाрди рд╕ंрд╢्рд░рдп- рдд्рд░िрдХ рдиाреЬी, рдЧंрдб рдк्рд░рджेрд╢
рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ा- рд░ेрдЪрди, рд╕्рдиेрд╣рди, рдоृрджु рд╕्рд╡ेрджрди,рд╡ाрдд рдкिрдд्рдд рд╢рдорди।
рдФрд╖рдзि- рдк्рд░рдердо 5 рджिрди рдоृрджु рд░ेрдЪрди।
рдХ्рд╖ीрд░рдмрд▓ा рддेрд▓ рдЕрдн्рдпंрдЧ (рдоृрджु рд╕्рд╡ेрдж рдХे рд╕ाрде) рдПрд╡ं рдорд░्рд╖ рдирд╕्рдп।
рд╡िрд╖ рддिрди्рджुрдХ рд╡рдЯी,
рдХ्рд╖ीрд░рдмрд▓ा 101 рдЖрд╡ृрдд्рддि
рдмрд▓ा рдЕрд╢рд╡рдЧंрдзा рдХ्рд╖ीрд░рдкाрдХ
рдЬрдЯाрдоांрд╕ी рдЪूрд░्рдг , рдордзुрдпрд╖्рдЯि рдЪूрд░्рдг рдЧोрджрди्рддी рднрд╕्рдо рдХा рдпोрдЧ।
рдк्рд░рдердо рдПрдХ рдоाрд╣।
*рд░ोрдЧी рдХी рд╕्рдЯेрд░ॉрдпрдб рдк्рд░рдердо рджिрди рд╕े рдмंрдж। segitol рдХी рдоाрдд्рд░ा рдХрдо рдХрд░рддे рд╣ुрдП 15 рджिрди рдоें рдмंрдж।*
1 рдоाрд╣ рдмाрдж рд░ोрдЧी рдХो рдЕрдн्рдпंрдЧ рдФрд░ рдирд╕्рдп рд╕рддрдд।
*рдирд╕्рдп рд╣ेрддु рдЕрдгु рддेрд▓।*
рдЬрдЯाрдоांрд╕ी рдФрд░ рдХрдгा рдоूрд▓ рдЪूрд░्рдг рдоिрд╢्рд░ी рдХे рд╕ाрде।
рдЕрд╢्рд╡рдЧंрдзाрд░िрд╖्рдЯ।
рд░ोрдЧी рдХी рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ा рдЕрдк्рд░ेрд▓ рдоें рдЖрд░ंрдн рдХी рдЧрдИ рдеी।
*2 рдоाрд╣ рдмाрдж рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ा рдмंрдж рдХрд░ рджी рдЧрдИ।*
рдЕрдХ्рдЯूрдмрд░ рдоाрд╣ рдоें рд░ोрдЧी рдХो рдкुрдиः рджाрд╣ рдХी рдЕрдиुрднूрддि рд╣ुрдИ, рддो рд╡िрдЧрдд рдоाрд╣ рд╕े рдкुрдиः рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ा рд╢ुрд░ू рдХी рд╣ै। рд░ोрдЧी рдФрд╖рдз рд╕ेрд╡рди рдХрд░рддे рд╣ुрдП рдкूрд░्рдг рд╕ंрддुрд╖्рдЯ рд╣ै।
ЁЯЩПЁЯЩП
рд╡्рдпрд╡рд╕्рдеा рдкрдд्рд░
[11/8, 11:48 PM] Vaidyaraj Subhash Sharma, Delhi:
*рдЕрдд्рдпुрдд्рддрдо рд╡ैрдж्рдпрд╡рд░ рд░ाрдзेрд╢्рдпाрдо рдЬी, рдХिрд╕ी рднी рд░ोрдЧी рдХा рд╡ृрддांрдд рдк्рд░рд╕्рддुрдд рдХрд░рдиे рдХा рд╕ैрдж्рдзाрди्рддिрдХ рддрд░ीрдХा рдпрд╣ी рд╣ै рдЬिрд╕рдоें рд░ोрдЧ рдХा рдиिрджाрди рдХ्рдпा рдФрд░ рдХैрд╕े рдХिрдпा рдФрд░ рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ा рдХिрди рд╕िрдж्рдзाрди्рддों рдкрд░ рджी рдЧрдИ।*
*trigeminal neuralgia рдХे рд╣ेрддु рд╕рднी рд░ोрдЧिрдпों рдоें рднिрди्рди рд╣ोрддे рд╣ै рдФрд░ рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ा рднी рд╕рдо्рдк्рд░ाрдк्рддि рдШрдЯрдХों рдХे рдЕрдиुрд╕ाрд░, рдпрд╣ी рдЖрдпुрд░्рд╡ेрдж рдХी рд╡िрд╢ेрд╖рддा рд╣ै। рдЖрдкрдиे рд╕рд╣ी рд╕िрдж्рдз рдХिрдпा।*
ЁЯСМЁЯСНЁЯСПЁЯМ╣ЁЯТРЁЯМ║ЁЯЩП
[11/8, 11:53 PM] Dr Divyesh Desai:
ЁЯСПЁЯП╜ЁЯСПЁЯП╜рд╕рдЪोрдЯ рд╕рдо्рдк्рд░ाрдк्рддि рд╡िрдШрдЯрди рдПрд╡рдо рд╣ेрддु рд╡िрдкрд░ीрдд рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ा...
[11/9, 5:58 AM] Sanjay Chhajed Dr. Mumbai:
Excellent thought process sir,
Wonderful analysis.
[11/9, 6:10 AM] Sanjay Chhajed Dr. Mumbai:
Trigeminal neuralgia, is a really painful and diisabling disease. What I feel
It is predominantly vata disease but we do find Kaph and Pitt association at times owing to symptoms.
Pran, udan (vakpravritti)
Sometimes bhrajak ( daha)
Shleshak ( Hanusandhi)
As the sthan goes it is Hanu sandhi, orbital area.
Dushya is mamsa, Rakta ( sira, kandara, ), majja
[11/9, 7:26 AM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
рдЕрдирди्рдд рд╡ाрдд рдкрд░ рдЪрдХ्рд░рдкाрдгि рдЬी
ЁЯСЗЁЯП╗
рд╕िрд░ाрд░्рдХाрд╡рд░्рддрдиाрд╢рдиैрд░िрддि рд╕िрд░ाрд╡्рдпрдзैः, рд╕ूрд░्рдпाрд╡рд░्рддрдиाрд╢рдиैрд╢्рдЪ рднेрд╖рдЬैः॥реорек-реорен॥
ЁЯСЗЁЯП╗
рд╕ूрд░्рдпाрд╡рд░्рдд рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ा
ЁЯСЗЁЯП╗
рджिрдирдХ्рд╖рдпे рддрддः рд╕्рдд्рдпाрдиे *рдорд╕्рддिрд╖्рдХे* рд╕рдо्рдк्рд░рд╢ाрдо्рдпрддि ।
рд╕ूрд░्рдпाрд╡рд░्рддः рд╕ рддрдд्рд░ рд╕्рдпाрдд् рд╕рд░्рдкिрд░ौрдд्рддрд░рднрдХ्рддिрдХрдо् ॥реорез॥
рд╢िрд░ःрдХाрдпрд╡िрд░ेрдХौ рдЪ рдоूрд░्рдз्рдиा *рдд्рд░िрд╕्рдиेрд╣рдзाрд░рдгрдо्реи ।*
рдЬाрдЩ्рдЧрд▓ैрд░ुрдкрдиाрд╣рд╢्рдЪ *рдШृрддрдХ्рд╖ीрд░ैрд╢्рдЪ рд╕ेрдЪрдирдо्рей ॥реореи॥*
ЁЯСЖЁЯП╗
(indication of shirodhara)
рдмрд░्рд╣िрддिрдд्рддिрд░िрд▓ाрд╡ाрджिрд╢ृрддрдХ्рд╖ीрд░ोрдд्рдеिрддं рдШृрддрдо् ।
*рд╕्рдпाрди्рдиाрд╡рдиं* *рдЬीрд╡рдиीрдпрдХ्рд╖ीрд░ाрд╖्рдЯрдЧुрдгрд╕ाрдзिрддрдо् ॥*
реорей॥
My message to you that Majja is pradhan dooshya in all shiroroga.
Dr. Radheshyam ji !!ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗
[11/9, 7:31 AM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
We can't treat such diseases without sneha whether we give plenty of drugs that supposed to act on vessels or vasculature or not.
[11/9, 8:14 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
Trigeminal nerve is 5th cranial nerve,responsible for both motor and sensory functions of face, biting & chewing, largest cranial nerve, thrice twinned, three branches, ophthalmic (V1), Maxillary (V2), Mandibular(V3).
[11/9, 8:37 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
Light touch is tested in each of the three divisions of the trigeminal nerve and on each side of the face using a cotton wisp or tissue paper. The ophthalmic division is tested by touching the forehead, the maxillary division is tested by touching the cheeks, and the mandibular division is tested by touching the chin.
[11/9, 8:57 AM] Vd V. B. Pandey Basti U. P:
Mam I salute your deep knowledge.ЁЯЩП My wife was also having headache for which I met various physician but none was so perfect in his clinical practise.Thanks god it subsided just by simple morning walk in Brahma Mahurat.
[11/9, 9:08 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
Good morning sir ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ salutes to this group, and its posts , I alone is nothing.ЁЯТРЁЯТРЁЯТРЁЯТР
[11/9, 9:11 AM] Prof Giriraj Sharma:
*рд╢िрд░ोрдЧрддा рд╕िрд░ा рд╡ृрдж्рдзों рд╡ाрдпुрд░ाрд╡िрд╢्рдп рдХुрдк्рдпрддि*
рд╢िрд░ोрдЧрдд рд╕िрд░ा- Neurovascular Bundel
рд╡ाрдпुрд░ाрд╡िрд╢्рдп =рд╡ाрддрдк्рд░рдзाрди рд╕िрд░ा
рдЙрд░्рдз्рд╡рдЧ рд╕्рдкрд░्рд╢рд╡рд╣ा рд╕िрд░ा
Trigeminal Nn
рд╢ंрдЦ,
рд▓рд▓ाрдЯ,
рдШाрдЯा - рдХрд░्рдг рд╕े рдкрд╢्рдЪ рднाрдЧ, рд╡िрдзुрд░ , рдХृрдХाрдЯिрдХा рдорд░्рдо
рд╢्рд░ोрдд
*рднृрд╢ं рд╢ंрдЦों рдШाрдЯा*
рд╡िрджुрд░ рдорд░्рдо рдХृрдХाрдЯिрдХा рдорд░्рдо рдЖрдШाрдд
Compression of Trigeminal Nn in Stylomostoid process.
[11/9, 9:14 AM] Prof. Deep Narayan Pandey:
Excellent.
And, we must not ignore the cause of headache, for that could cost life in numerous cases and circumstances.
Going in to the perfect nid─Бn, avoiding the s├кvan of that, and then subsequently treating the impaired d┼Нsha is necessary. Otherwise, relief is transient and temporary, and harmful in the long run.
[11/9, 9:22 AM] Dr Sukhveer Verma:
I think Trigeminal Neuralgia is not the type of headache. It should treated as Ardita chikitsa
рдиाрд╡рдиं рдоूрд░्рдз्рдиि рддैрд▓ं рддрд░्рдкрдгрдоेрд╡ рдЪ
рдиाрдбीрд╕्рд╡ेрджोрдкрдиाрд╣ाрд╢्рдЪाрдк्рдпाрдиूрдкрдкिрд╢िрддैрд░्рд╣िрддाः
[11/9, 9:24 AM] Dr. R S. Soni, Delhi:
рдЖрд╢ीрд░्рд╡рдЪрдиों рдХे рд▓िрдпे рдЖрднाрд░ рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдпрд╡рд░।ЁЯЩПЁЯЩП
рдЖрдкрд╕े рдЗрд╕ рд░ोрдЧी рдоें рдЕрдкुрдирд░्рднрд╡ рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ाрд░्рде рджिрд╢ाрдиिрд░्рджेрд╢ рдХी рдЖрд╡рд╢्рдпрдХрддा рд╣ै।ЁЯЩПЁЯЩПЁЯШМЁЯМ╣ЁЯМ╣
[11/9, 9:24 AM] Dr Sukhveer Verma:
*рдиाреЬी рд╕्рд╡ेрджрди рдХे рд▓िрдП рднी рд╡िрд╢ेрд╖рдд рджुрдЧ्рдз рд╡ рдмрд▓ा рдХ्рд╡ाрде рдк्рд░рдпोрдЧ рдоें рд▓ाрдиा рдЪाрд╣िрдП
[11/9, 9:29 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
Very good morning sir, Absolutely right sir as trigeminal nerve is both sensory and motor, anatomocally present in face, origin is in brain, TN will be multifactorial. and so will be the chikitsa. ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯТРЁЯТР
Purusham purusham ЁЯСНЁЯП╝ЁЯСМЁЯСМЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯТРЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯТРЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
[11/9, 9:31 AM] Dr Rajanish Pathak:
Nadi swedan have much effect in pain along with vrinhan Karma... Application of oils n internal ghrit sevan... E. G. Ksheerbala 101cap
Bala sahachar prasarani oils application
[11/9, 9:48 AM] Dr Bhadresh Nayak, Surat:
Diffarnciate the shirshul according to the sign and symptoms then treated
Now a days stress headaches are major concerns
Hetu viprit and does and don't are important
Nidan parvartan is line of treatment.
[11/9, 9:48 AM] Dr. R S. Soni, Delhi:
рд╕ुрд╖्рдаु рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдпрд╡рд░ рд╕ोрдиी рд╕рд░ЁЯСПЁЯСПЁЯЩП
рдФрдд्рддрд░рднрдХ्рдд рдШृрдд рдкाрди рдиिрд╢्рдЪрдп рд╣ी рдЗрд╕ рд░ोрдЧी рдХी рд╕рдо्рдк्рд░ाрдк्рддि рд╡िрдШрдЯрди рдоें рд╕рд╣ाрдпрдХ рд╣ो рд╕рдХрддा рд╣ै।
рд╡िрдЪाрд░ рдз्рдпाрди рдоें рднी рдеा, рдХिрди्рддु рдФрд╖рдз рдЕрдиुрдкрд▓рдм्рдзрддा рдПрд╡ं рд░ुрдЧ्рдг рдХा рдФрд╖рдз рд╡िрдж्рд╡ेрд╖ рджोрдиों рдХाрд░рдгों рд╕े рдЗрд╕ рд╡िрдЪाрд░ рдХो рдд्рдпाрдЧрдиा рдкреЬा।
рдЙрдкрд▓рдм्рдзрддा рдХी рдмाрдд рддो рдпрд╣ рд╣ै рдХि рдкिрдк्рдкрд▓ी рдоूрд▓ рдЪूрд░्рдг рднी рд░ोрдЧी рдХो рдиिрд░्рджेрд╢ рдХे 15 рджिрди рдмाрдж рдЙрдкрд▓рдм्рдз рд╣ो рдкाрдпा।
рд░ाрдЬрдХीрдп рд╕ेрд╡ा рдоें рдЗрд╕ рд╕े рдЬ्рдпाрджा рдХिрдпा рднी рдирд╣ीं рдЬा рд╕рдХрддा।ЁЯШМЁЯЩП
[11/9, 10:19 AM] Dr. R S. Soni, Delhi:
ЁЯСМЁЯСМ
рд▓ाрдХ्рд╖рдгिрдХ рд░ूрдк рд╕े рдпे рд╢िрд░ рд╢ूрд▓ рдХी рд╢्рд░ेрдгी рдоें рдирд╣ी।
рдЗрд╕рдХी рд░ुрдЬा рдХ्рд╖ेрдд्рд░ рдПрдХ рдкाрд░्рд╢्рд╡ рдЕрдХ्рд╖ि рдХोрдЯрд░, рдЧंрдб рдк्рд░рджेрд╢, рдЪिрдмुрдХ, рдПрд╡ं рд╣рдиु рдк्рд░рджेрд╢ рд╣ैं рдиा рдХि рд╢िрд░ः рдк्рд░рджेрд╢।
[11/9, 10:22 AM] L. k. Dwivedi Sir:
ЁЯЩПЁЯХЙЁЯЩПЁЯдФGRita,kumkum, karpur and Swasakuthar RASA,ka navan sirorogo me 3-7 din prayoga atyupayogi.
Jivan me 1 rugna 80 varshiya me prayukta.
Us Samay 1-2varsha, upcar liya . Nidan va shalya karm ka kharch vahan me, a samarth ,
IMPCL, Mohan ke worker's grand mam. vicarain.
RYS/ BP .me sandarbhit hai.
[11/9, 10:31 AM] Dr. Rituraj Verma:
Trigeminal neuralgia--
рд╢िрд░ is рдХрдлрд╕्рдеाрди,TN is a condition where рд╡ाрдд is aggravated in рдХрдл рд╕्рдеाрди.
Pain aggravates more in cold weather.
In TN рд╢ीрдд and рдЪрд▓ рдЧुрдг increased.
рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ा- рд╡ाрдЯрдк्рд░рдХोрдк in рдХрдлрд╕्рдеाрди
рдХрдлाрд╡ृрдд рд╡ाрдд рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ा
рдЙрд╖्рдг рд╡ीрд░्рдп рдФрд╖рдз рдк्рд░рдпोрдЧ
рдирд╕्рдп- рдЙрд╖्рдг рд╡ीрд░्рдп рдФрд╖рдз
рд▓ेрдк- рдоाрд╖ рдЪूрд░्рдг (рдЧोрджुрдЧ्рдз рдпा рдЕंрдбे рдХे рд╕рдлेрдж рднाрдЧ рдоें рдоिрд▓ाрдХрд░)
рдирд╕्рдп- рд╖рджрдмिрди्рджु рддेрд▓,рдоाрд╖ рддेрд▓
рдмрд▓ा рдХ्рд╖ीрд░ рдзूрдо
рдХрд╡рд▓-рдЗрд░िрдоेрджाрджि рддेрд▓
[11/9, 10:32 AM] Dr. R S. Soni, Delhi:
ЁЯЩПЁЯЩПрдк्рд░рдгाрдо рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдп рд╢्рд░ेрд╖्рдаЁЯМ╣
рдиाрд╡рди рдХे рд╕ंрджрд░्рдн рдоें рдПрдХ рдЕрдиुрднрд╡ЁЯСЗЁЯП╗
37 рд╡рд░्рд╖ीрдпा рдПрдХ рдорд╣िрд▓ा рд╕ाрдеी рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕рдХ рдХो рдк्рд░рддि 2рд╕े3 рджिрди рдкрд░ рд╢िрд░ः, рдорди्рдпा рдк्рд░рджेрд╢ рдоें рд╢ूрд▓ рд╣ोрддा рдеा, рдЕрди्рдп рдЕрдиेрдХ рд╢ूрд▓ рдк्рд░рд╢рдорди рдЙрдкрдЪाрд░ рд╕े рддाрдд्рдХाрд▓िрдХ рд▓ाрдн рдоिрд▓ рдЬाрддा рдеा।
рд╢ाрд╕्рдд्рд░ोрдХ्рдд *рд╡рдЪा рдПрд╡ं рдкिрдк्рдкрд▓ी рдЪूрд░्рдг рдХा рдордзु рд╕े рдиाрд╡рди* рдХा рд╡िрдзाрди рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ाрд░्рде рдиिрд░्рдзाрд░िрдд рдХिрдпा рдЧрдпा।
рдЧ्рд░ुрдк рдХी рдкूрд░्рд╡ рд╕рдо्рдоाрдиिрдд рд╢ाрд▓рдХ्рдп рд╡िрдж рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдпा рд╢्рд░ीрдорддी рдЕрдиुрдкрдоा рдкाрдд्рд░ा рдЬी рдХे рд╕ाрдиिрдз्рдп рдоें рдпे рдк्рд░рдпोрдЧ рдХिрдпा рдЧрдпा। рд╕рдлрд▓ рд░рд╣ा।
рдЕрдм рд▓рдЧрднрдЧ 3-4 рдоाрд╣ рдХे рдЕंрддрд░ाрд▓ рдкрд░ рдХрднी рджрд░्рдж рд╣ोрддा рд╣ै рддो рдоाрдд्рд░ рдПрдХ рдмाрд░ рдХे рдиाрд╡рди рд╕े рд╣ी рд╢ूрд▓ोрдкрд░рдо рд╣ो рдЬाрддा рд╣ै।
[11/9, 11:19 AM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
*Most important and notable point stated by Radheshyam ji.*
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Route cause and depth of the pathology must be evaluated. Simple mootra purisha vega vidharan may lead to shirahshool that will be a vatik type of disease.
This is the reason that charak had to mention vishishtha shirorogas in Trimarmiya Siddhi sthan.
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[11/9, 11:21 AM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
рд╕рдо्рдк्рд░ाрдк्рддि рд╡рд░्рдгрди рдоें рдорд╕्рддुрд▓ुंрдЧ/рдордЬ्рдЬा рдХो рднूрд▓ рдЧрдП рдЛрддुрд░ाрдЬ рд╡рд░्рдоा рд╕ाрдм ?
Nerve tissues made up with majja dhatu.
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[11/9, 11:23 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal: ЁЯСМЁЯСМЁЯСПЁЯСПЁЯСНЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯТРЁЯТРЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
[11/9, 11:25 AM] Dr. Rituraj Verma:
Oh sorry sir ji !
[11/9, 11:38 AM] Prof Giriraj Sharma:
рдордЬ्рдЬрд╡рд╣ рд╕्рддोрдд्рд░рд╕ рдХा рдоूрд▓
рдЕрд╕्рдеिрдиिрдоूрд▓,,,, рд╕рди्рдзि рд╣ी рд╣ै ,,,,
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯМ╣ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
[11/9, 11:49 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
Excessive mobile calls are also one factor of vaat prakop in shirah pradesh.
[11/9, 11:50 AM] Dr. Sandeep Kushawaha:
рдордпुрд░ рдШृрдд рдХे рд╕ंрджрд░्рдн рдоें рд╡िрдЪाрд░े ,...рдШрдЯрдХ рдж्рд░рд╡्рдпो рдоें рдордпुрд░ рдоांрд╕ рд░рд╕ рдХे рд╕ाрде, рдмрд▓ा ,рдд्рд░िрдлрд▓ा рджрд╢рдоूрд▓ рдЖрджि рдХे рдХ्рд╡ाрде рдХे рд╕ाрде рдШृрдд рдкाрдХ рд╣ै рд╕ाрде рдоें рдЬीрд╡рдиीрдп рдж्рд░рд╡्рдпो рдХे рдХрд▓्рдХ рдХा рдк्рд░рдпोрдЧ рд╣ै,,... рдПрддрджрд░्рде рдЪрд░्рдЪा рдЕрдиुрд░ुрдк рдШृрдд , рд╡ाрдд рд╢ाрдордХ рджрд╢рдоूрд▓, рдмрд▓ा рд╡рд╣ рдд्рд░िрдлрд▓ा рдЖрджि рддрдеा рдЬीрд╡рдиीрдп рдЧрдг рдХा рд╣ोрдиे рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ोрдкрдпोрдЧी рд╣ै ..... рдордпुрд░ рдоांрд╕ рдХे рд╡िрдХрд▓्рдк рдоें рд╢рд╢ांрдХ, рдоूрд╖рдХ рд╡ рдХुрдХ्рдХुрдЯ рдоांрд╕ рдХा рдиिрд░्рджेрд╢ рднी рд╣ै.... рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ा рд╕ूрдд्рд░ рдЕрдиुрд░ूрдк рд╣ोрдиे рд╕े рд╡िрдЪाрд░рдгीрдп рд╣ै।
[11/9, 11:53 AM] Prof Giriraj Sharma:
рдорд╕्рддुрд▓ुंрдЧ рдХे рдХ्рд╖рдп рд╕े (рддाрд▓ू) *рдЕрд╕्рдеि рдирдордпेрдд,*,,
рдореЫ्реЫा рдзाрддु / рдорд╕्рддुрд▓ुंрдЧ рджोрдиो рдоें рдЕрд╕्рдеि рд╣ी рдк्рд░рднाрд╡िрдд рд╣ो рд░рд╣ी рд╣ै ।
*рднृрд╢ं* рдЕрд╕्рдеि рдХो рдоूрд▓ рднी рд╣ै рдФрд░ рдХ्рд╖рдп рдкрд░िрдгाрдо рднी рд╣ै ।
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯМ╣ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
[11/9, 11:59 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
majja, pr oral and basti is best vaat shamak, kharoron ka soup le skte hain agar non vegetarian hain ?
[11/9, 1:26 PM] L. k. Dwivedi Sir:
Sooryoday wale kalp me ,Pushkar Mula Curna Or godanti Bhasma or arkake prawalkonpal(komal patrabud) bhi vikalpa se practiceme dete dekha.
[11/9, 2:55 PM] Sanjay Chhajed Dr. Mumbai:
This is very important to differenciate between Shrahshool and TN.
It is the pain in the area around mouth. Trigeminal.
[11/9, 4:11 PM] Prof Giriraj Sharma:
рдирдорд╕्рдХाрд░ рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдп рд╕ोрдиी рдЬी !
рдЕрдирди्рддрд╡ाрдд рд╡ाрдд рдоें рдорди्рдпा рдПрд╡ं рдШाрдЯा рд╢рдм्рдж рдЖрдпे рд╣ै ।
рдорди्рдпा рдЧ्рд░ीрд╡ा рдоें рд╕्рдеिрдд рд╕्рдеाрди рд╣ै
рдПрд╡рдо рдШाрдЯा рд╢рдм्рдж рдХрд░्рдг рдХे рдкीрдЫे рдХा рдЧ्рд░ीрд╡ा рднाрдЧ рд╣ै ।
рджोрдиो рдкрд░ рд╣ी Trigeminal Nn рдж्рд╡ाрд░ा supply рдирд╣ी рд╣ोрддी рд╣ै ।
[11/9, 6:17 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
рдЖрдк рдпрдеाрдпोрдЧ्рдп рд╕्рд╡ीрдХाрд░्рдп рдоाрд░्рдЧрджрд░्рд╢рди рдк्рд░рджाрди рдХीрдЬिрдП ।
рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдп рдЧिрд░िрд░ाрдЬ рдЬी ।
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯМ╗
[11/9, 6:46 PM] Dr. Vinod Sharma, Gajiabad:
Sir it's Emergency Management not for long run tt.
U can treat the patient after shaman the Shirhshool according to his DOSH, KAAL, PRAKRITI, DUSHYA etc but for immediate relief u can use this combination .
I don't use it for long duration sir .
Regards sir.
[11/9, 6:46 PM] Prof Giriraj Sharma:
рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдп рд╢्рд░ी рд╕ोрдиी рдЬी !
рдЖрдкрдХे рд╡िрд╡ेрдЪрдиाрдд्рдордХ рдк्рд░рдЬ्рдЮा рд╕рд░्рд╡рджा рд╣ी рдк्рд░рд╢ंрд╕рдиीрдп рд░рд╣ी рд╣ै ।
рдЕрдирди्рддрд╡ाрдд рд╢рдм्рдж рд╡ाрдпु рдХी рдЕрдирди्рддा рдХो рднी рдЗंрдЧिрдд рдХрд░ рд░рд╣ा рд╣ै ।
рдоैंрдиे рдкूрд░्рд╡ рдХी рдбॉ рд╢рд╢ि рдЬिंрджрд▓ рдЬी рдХी рдкोрд╕्рдЯ рдоें *рднृрд╢ं* рд╢рдм्рдж *styloid process* рд╡िрджुрд░ рдПрд╡ं рдХृрдХाрдЯिрдХा рдорд░्рдо рдХा рд╡ाрддрдЬ рд╢िрд░ोрд░ोрдЧ рдоें рдЙрд▓्рд▓ेрдЦ рдХिрдпा рдеा ।
The elongated and ossified styloid process compressed lower border of mandibular part of trigeminal Nn with glossopharyngeal nn and facial Nn .
Due this compression the рдорди्рдпा (рдХंрда рдЬрди्рдп ) рдФрд░ рдШाрдЯा ( back of neck) рдкрд░ рдЗрд╕рдХा рдк्рд░рднाрд╡ рджृрд╖्рдЯिрдЧोрдЪрд░ рд╣ोрддा рд╣ै ।
рдордЬ्рдЬрд╡рд╣ рдХा рдоूрд▓ рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдп рдиे рдЕрд╕्рдеि рд╕рди्рдзि рдоाрдиा рд╣ै , CNS рдХो рдорд╕्рддुрд▓ुंрдЧ рдХрд╣рдХрд░ рдЕрд╕्рдеि рдЗрдирдХी pass out рдХो рдЪिंрддрди рдХрд░े рддो рд╢ाрдпрдж рдЕрдирди्рддрд╡ाрдд рдкрд░ рд╣рдо рдЪिंрддрди рдХрд░ рдкाрдПंрдЧे । рд╢िрд░ (skull including brain) рдорд╕्рддिрд╖्рдХीрдп рдордЬ्рдЬा рдХो рдорд╕्рддुрд▓ुंрдЧ рдПрд╡ं рд╢ेрд╖ рд╢рд░ीрд░рдЧрдд рдордЬ्рдЬा рдЕрд╕्рдеिрдиी рд╣ी рд╣ै ।
TN рдоे Eagle's s Syndrome рдХो рд╕рдордЭेंрдЧे рддो рдЕрдирди्рддрд╡ाрдд рдХे рдЕрдирди्рдд рд╕्рд╡рд░ूрдк рд╢ाрдпрдж рдХुрдЫ рд░ोрд╢рдиी рдХी рдХिрд░рдг рджे рджे ।
рдЖрдк рдиिрд╢्рдЪिрдд рд╣ी рдЕрдирди्рддрд╡ाрдд рдХि рдЕрдирди्рддा рдХो рдЕрдкрдиे рд╡िрд╡ेрдЪрдиाрдд्рдордХ рдк्рд░рдЬ्рдЮा рд╕े рд╣рдоे рд╕рдордЭाрдПंрдЧे ।
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[11/9, 8:15 PM] Prof. Satish Panda K. C:
TN a mixed type nerve,means both sensory and GBmotor. Both sharira and manas bhav responsable in this case.
TN and it's probable.
SAMPRAPTI GHATAK .
Dosha – Vata Kapha/ Vata/
Tridosha
Dushya- Rakta
Strotas- Pranavaha.
Strotodusti- Atipravriti.
Rogamaarga–Madhyama.
Adhisthana- Murdha.
Sadhyasdhyata-Kruchhrasadhya / Yapya.
NIDANA PANCHAKA
Nidana – Ruksha Bhojana, Purva Vata Sevana, Avashyay, Vega Sandharana, Vyayama,
Purvaroopa –nil
Rupa – episodic.sudden onset, intense pain.ЁЯЩП
[11/9, 8:19 PM] Prof. Satish Panda K. C:
9.Shirasuladi vajra ras,sanjeewani vati, godanti bhasma, shutasekhar rasa,kaishore guggulu,рдЕрд╢्рд╡рдЧंрдзा рдШृрдд рдХे
Line of Management......
1.Deepana with Vaiswanara Churna - 3 days
2.Accha Snehapana with Ashwagandha ghrit.
– Uthamamatra
3.Abyanga and Swedana 2 days
4.Virechana with eranda taila+ milk- 25 ml with
milk, morning 6 am
5.Nasya with sadbindu taila.
6.Sirodhara with Mahanarayana tail.
7.Matravasthi with kshirasagar bala tail .
8.Sirovasthi with Brahmi taila.
The patient was instructed to avoid Ratrijagarana,
cold exposure, cold intake, Vatavardhakaahara.
9.above
10.Stress reduce management also a must.It aggravate the trigger of pain.
Emergency management - of headache.
Nasya with sutasekhar rasa.
Karna puran with visagarbh tail.
I Try to summarizeЁЯЩПЁЯП╗
[11/9, 8:20 PM] Dr. Vinod Sharma, Gajiabad:
ЁЯЩПЁЯЩПЁЯЩПЁЯЩПЁЯЩПЁЯЩПЁЯЩП thanku you so much sir ,
Now, I am unable to speak properly.
I don't know what I should do.
[11/9, 8:24 PM] Dr. Vinod Sharma, Gajiabad:
ЁЯЩПЁЯЩПЁЯЩПЁЯЩПЁЯЩПЁЯЩПЁЯЩП thank you so much sir for your concern .
Regards from the core of Heart .
[11/9, 8:42 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
TN a mixed type nerve,means both sensory and GBmotor. Both sharira and manas bhav responsable in this case.
TN and it's probable.
SAMPRAPTI GHATAK .
*Few proposed additions from my side in Samprapti if all are agree.*
1. Dosha – Vata Kapha/ Vata/
Tridosha
*+May be vat-pradhan(Vigunatva) Tridosha esp Pranvayu dushti & Tarpak kapha kshaya.*
2. Dushya- Rakta *+Ras, majja.*
3. Strotas- Pranavaha.
*+Ras, Rakta, Majja, .*
4. Strotodusti- Atipravriti.
*Sanga should be more appropriate.*
5.Rogamaarga– Madhyama. */Marma*
6. Adhisthana- Murdha.
*+7. Aashay- Pakwashay samuttha*
*+8. Agni- Manda/visham*
*+9. Sam/niram- both*
10. Vyadhi prakar- *+Ashukari / Chirakari*
11.Sadhyasdhyata- Kruchhrasadhya / Yapya.
NIDANA PANCHAKA
Nidana – Ruksha Bhojana, Purva Vata Sevana, Avashyay, Vega Sandharana, Vyayama,
Purvaroopa –nil
Rupa – episodic.sudden onset, intense pain.ЁЯЩП
Satish Sir & other Gurujan !!ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯМ╗
[11/9, 8:46 PM] Prof. Satish Panda K. C:
Other members requested to finalize this.
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[11/9, 8:47 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
Yes please....ЁЯСНЁЯП╗ЁЯСНЁЯП╗
[11/9, 8:50 PM] Sanjay Chhajed Dr. Mumbai:
Tarpak kaph kshaya is little questionable and tricky.
Dr. Soni !
[11/9, 8:53 PM] Dr. Sadhana Babel, Pune:
рдЖрд╢рдп рдЧृрд╣рдгी as majjadhara and рдкिрдд्рддाрдзрд░ा ashrayayshrayi ?
Can we think
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[11/9, 9:02 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
For Instant relief....
1. To stay in warm environment covering head with woolen cap and face. Avoud cold and direct exposure to air. Even Fan must be avoided if possible.
2. Frequent / muhurmuhu kaval dharan with hot til-tail until satisfactory relief is obtained.
3. Shiroabhyang 20 - 30 min/pichu esp hot mahavishagarbha tail etc
4. If possible continues Shirodhara with suitable oils like MVGT, MNT etc till relief is obtained.
5. Vatakulantak ras 125 mg
MB Vidhwansan Ras 250 mg
Godanti bhasma 1 gm
TDS
6. Ghritapan as discussed
Vinod Sir !!ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯМ╗
[11/9, 9:05 PM] Dr Ankur Sharma, Delhi:
ЁЯСПЁЯСПЁЯСМЁЯСМ
Please tell sir
Jyotishmati oil
And its preparation
Smritisagar ras
May be helpful in this condition sirЁЯЩПЁЯЩП
[11/9, 9:08 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
Smritisagar may not useful in acute pain condition.
Asked oil should be useful being ushna & medhya.
Dr. Ankur !!ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗
[11/9, 9:16 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
4 snehas are indicated in Anantavat.
Chhajed Sir !
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯМ╗
[11/9, 9:16 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni: ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯМ╗
[11/9, 9:31 PM] Dr. Vinod Sharma, Gajiabad:
My humble Regards to you sir ,
Thank you so much sir.
[11/9, 9:33 PM] Prof. Satish Panda K. C:
More appropriate term may be tarpak kapha vaigunya.
Am I Right?
In anata vata different types are also available.
1.Only vata
2.Vata kapha
3.Tridoshaj
Dr Soni !
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[11/9, 9:36 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
Difficult to accept... Vaigunya
Tridosha involved.
Satish ji !
[11/9, 9:39 PM] Dr. Sandeep Kushawaha:
Sir ji yaha mahavishgarbh рдХी рдЬрдЧрд╣ рдХोрдИ рдЕрди्рдп рд╡ाрддрд╢ाрдордХ рддैрд▓ рд╡िрд╢ेрд╖ рдЙрдкрдпोрдЧी рд╣ो рд╕рдХрддा рд╣ै рдпा рдЖрдк рдХा рдЕрдиुрднूрдд рд╣ै ??
[11/9, 9:41 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
рд╣ो рд╕рдХрддा рд╣ै । рд╡िрд╖ рд╕ंрдпोрдЧ рд╕े MVGT рдоें рдЖрд╢ुрдХाрд░िрдд्рд╡ рджृрд╖्рдЯि рдЧोрдЪрд░ рд╣ोрддा рд╣ै ।
рд╕рди्рджीрдк рдЬी !
[11/9, 9:47 PM] Prof. Satish Panda K. C:
Vaigunya is imperfection or defectiveness.
Tridoshaj vyadhi are also under dosa vaigunya.
[11/9, 9:48 PM] Prof. Satish Panda K. C: ✅
[11/9, 9:50 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
Kapha pitta kshaya (either as doshas or status) is essential phenomenon in kshaya type of vat vyadhi.
рд╡ाрдпुрд░्рдХोрдкो рдзाрддुрдХ्рд╖рдпाрдд्.....ЁЯСН
Satish ji !ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯМ╗
[11/9, 10:00 PM] Dr. R S. Soni, Delhi:
ЁЯСПЁЯСПЁЯСПЁЯЩПЁЯМ╣
рдПрдХ рдмाрдд рдФрд░ рдЬोреЬрдиा рдЪाрд╣ूंрдЧा।
*рдХрд░्рдг рдкूрд░рдг*
рд╣рдоाрд░े рдпрд╣ां рдХрд╣ाрд╡рдд рд╣ै *рдХाрди рдоें рддेрд▓ рдбाрд▓рдиा।*
рдЬрдм рдХोрдИ рдЙрдЪ्рд╢्рд░ृंрдЦрд▓рддा рдХрд░рдиे рд╡ाрд▓ा рд╡्рдпрдХ्рддि рдХिрд╕ी рдмाрдд рд╕े рдмिрд▓्рдХुрд▓ рд╢ांрдд рд╣ो рдЬाрддा рд╣ै рддो рдЙрд╕рдХे рд▓िрдпे рдХрд╣ा рдЬाрддा рд╣ै
*рдРрд╕े рдмैрдаा рд╣ै рдЬैрд╕े рдХाрди рдоें рддेрд▓ рдбाрд▓ рджिрдпा рд╣ो।*ЁЯШДЁЯШД
рддो рд╢ाрдпрдж рдХрд░्рдг рдкूрд░рдг рдЕрдзिрдХ рдЕрд╢ुрдХाрд░ी рд╣ो рд╢ूрд▓ рдк्рд░рд╢рдорди рдоेंЁЯдФ
[11/9, 10:03 PM] Dr Ankur Sharma, Delhi:
Bilkul h
Me to apne har headache anxiety palpitations ke patient ko daily karan puran
Foot head massage karwata hu
And they get benefits
day before
Yesterday 25year male had bp170\90
he do it
And add lahusunadi vati
Mukta vati
Today bp 110\80
[11/9, 10:04 PM] Dr Ankur Sharma, Delhi:
Highly effective for insomnia
Too
[11/9, 10:04 PM] Prof. Satish Panda K. C:
I am using in my practice since my UG completed.
Some cases give excellent result.
[11/9, 10:04 PM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
ЁЯСМЁЯСНЁЯП╝ot til or alsi kalk with bhaang for local application as upnah may help in pain relief. Taking halwa with plenty of sneh.ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
[11/9, 10:05 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni: ЁЯСНЁЯП╗ЁЯСМЁЯП╗
[11/9, 10:05 PM] Prof. Satish Panda K. C: ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗
[11/9, 10:05 PM] Dr Shashi Jindal: ЁЯСНЁЯП╝ЁЯСМЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯТРЁЯТР
[11/9, 10:07 PM] Dr. Sadhana Babel, Pune: Tinnitus too
[11/9, 10:10 PM] Dr Ankur Sharma, Delhi:
YehЁЯСМЁЯСМЁЯСМ
Otalgia
Tinnitus
Vertigo
[11/9, 10:11 PM] Dr. Sadhana Babel, Pune:
For abhyang
Prabhanjan /balaguduchyadi/
Gandush with рдорд╣ाрдиाрд░ाрдпाрди tel too help
As urdhvjatrugat nasya with sidhha ghrut like mahakalyank /рдЬ्рдпोрддिрд╖्рдорддी рддेрд▓ /balatel
For sadya chikitsa bvc or vatkulantak ras
[11/9, 10:11 PM] Dr Ankur Sharma, Delhi:
nasya karan puran helpful in cervical spondylitis shoulder pain etc too
[11/9, 10:12 PM] Vd. Aashish Kumar, Lalitpur: ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯМ╣ЁЯМ╣ЁЯМ╣ЁЯСПЁЯП╗ЁЯСПЁЯП╗
[11/9, 10:12 PM] Dr. Sadhana Babel, Pune: Yes
Masha рдмрд▓ाрджी kadha abyantar with its nasya innmanyastambh.
[11/9, 10:55 PM] Dr Ashwini Kumar Sood, Ambala:
Good effort for explaining line of treatment Dr Satish ji & soni ji !
[11/9, 10:57 PM] Dr Ashwini Kumar Sood, Ambala: ЁЯСМЁЯП╝ЁЯМ╣
[11/9, 11:17 PM] Shantanu Das Prof KC:
Sir ... Mihiradwaya Rasa...Very useful medicine..........
[11/9, 11:24 PM] pawan madan Dr: ЁЯЩПЁЯЩП
[11/9, 11:27 PM] Vaidyaraj Subhash Sharma, Delhi:
*рдбॉ рд╡िрдиोрдж рдЬी,рд╕ंрднрд╡ рд╣ो рддो рдХрд▓ рдЖ рдЬाрдИрдпे рдоेрд░े рдкाрд╕ *
ЁЯТРЁЯМ║ЁЯМ╣
[11/10, 12:38 AM] Vaidyaraj Subhash Sharma, Delhi:
*рд╕рдЯीрдХ рд╕рдо्рдк्рд░ाрдк्рддि рд╕ोрдиी рдЬी !
ЁЯСМЁЯСМЁЯСМЁЯСМ рдЖрдзुрдиिрдХ рдХाрд▓ рдХे рдЕрдиुрд╕ाрд░ рд╣ेрддु рдЕрдиेрдХ рд╣ैं, рдЬैрд╕े рдЕрдиेрдХ рдпुрд╡ा рдоाрджрдХ рдж्рд░рд╡्рдпों рдХा рдк्рд░рдпोрдЧ рдХрд░ рдХे рджेрд░ рд░ाрдд्рд░ि рддрдХ party рдХрд░рддे рд╣ै, MNC culture рдХे shift duty рдХрд░рдиे рд╡ाрд▓े, рдоाрдирд╕िрдХ рдХाрд░рдг рдХुंрдаा,рдХ्рд░ोрдз,рднрдп, рдж्рд╡рди्рдж्рд╡ рдЖрджि рд╕рднी рд╡ाрдд рдк्рд░рдХोрдкрдХ рд╣ैं।*
ЁЯЩПЁЯМ╣ЁЯМ║ЁЯТРЁЯЩП
[11/10, 2:47 AM] Dr. Ashok Rathod, Oman: ЁЯСНЁЯП╜ЁЯСНЁЯП╜ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
[11/10, 3:03 AM] Dr. Ashok Rathod, Oman:
I don't have any experience of treating TN. But I would like to say the following on this subject.
[11/10, 3:12 AM] Dr. Ashok Rathod, Oman:
If TN is the final diagnosis to be treated, then we need to understand the causes mentioned in Modern science. Focus should be made on reducing the compression happening on Trigeminal nerve base and its branches. The compression points must be evaluated by MRI. There may be any blood vessel or maybe any tumor in the brain which is compressing the nerve. Also maybe multiple sclerosis that's damaging myelin sheath which protects the nerves. All above reasons are not in the description of Ayurveda. As Dr Surendra Soni and other Vaidyas said to treat Vata vikruti and Majjadhatu vikruti, it may definitely help. In addition, I would like to draw the attention to treat the Arteriovenous Malformation (AVM), Aneurysm and other kinds of granthi/gulma or Arbuda inside the brain, if it is there. Considering above factors will help to explore the possibilities and limitations of treating TN through Ayurveda.
[11/10, 4:18 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
Local zylocain gel or spray can help
[11/10, 7:28 AM] Sanjay Chhajed Dr. Mumbai:
Brihat vatchintamani +ropya bhasma +suvarna makshik+abhrak +godanti
If pittanubandhi add moti+praval and guduchi sarva
If kaphanubandhi add pippali
Snehan
swedan,
nasya,
karnapuran, gandush,
Shirobhyanga
& most important is basti to be used in combination alternatively
[11/10, 7:30 AM] Sanjay Chhajed Dr. Mumbai:
Local anaesthetic are of no use. Otherwise every other gp would have used it.
[11/10, 7:36 AM] Vd V. B. Pandey Basti U. P:
ЁЯЩПWhat a fine description sir regarding nidhan and prakriti as well.
[11/10, 7:57 AM] Dr. Sadhana Babel, Pune: YesЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗
[11/10, 8:06 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
Good morning sir, local anesthetics do not work on intact skin, but I have found zylocain gel mixed in calamine lotion, locally on herpes Hyperaesthesia. It gives temporary relief.
[11/10, 9:32 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
ЁЯСНЁЯП╝ЁЯСМЁЯСМЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯТРЁЯТР
Medhya rasayan and medhya ghrit will control emotional part of activation of chemo receptors . Brahmi vati, brahmi ghrit, etc. Medhya dhoopan with medhya ghrit mishrit medhya dravyaas may also help.
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
[11/10, 9:33 AM] D C Katoch Sir:
рд╕рдм рдХो рдирдоो рдирдоः ।
Trigeminal Neuralgia is indeed a multifactorial painful condition of the facial region usually puts the patient in a agonious position. Psychological factors play a big role in flaring up the frequency and severity of attacks and the usual treatment gets misfired. To block the hypersensitivity of the nerve fibres involved in this condition Bhanga formulations like Madanand Modak of DAV Pharmacy I have experienced with good clinical outcomes.
[11/10, 9:36 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
Namaskaar sir, yes it will surely help, but as sir is diabetic I think, what he should can do ?
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
[11/10, 9:38 AM] D C Katoch Sir:
рдорджрдиाрдирди्рдж рдоोрджрдХ without sugar/sharkara can be prepared and used.
[11/10, 9:39 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
hanji sir, ye theek rhega. ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯТР
[11/10, 9:40 AM] Vd V. B. Pandey Basti U. P:
Saraswattaritha in high dose also provides instant relief along with kankkasava.
[11/10, 9:42 AM] D C Katoch Sir:
Otherwise try Vijaya Vati
[11/10, 9:52 AM] Dr Ankur Sharma, Delhi:
And what about afeem ajwayan kapur containing
Vedantak ras\ananda vati
Nindrodray ras
In severe pain
It may be beneficial in reducing pain
Immediately
[11/10, 10:13 AM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
Symptomatic pain relief only. Opium may lead to srotorodha worsening the condition as after effect.
Dr Ankur !
[11/10, 10:14 AM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
Bhanga formulations safer in comparison to opium for symptomatic pain relief.
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯМ╗
[11/10, 10:33 AM] Dr Ankur Sharma, Delhi:
Thanks Soni Sir !ЁЯЩПЁЯЩПЁЯЩП
[11/10, 10:34 AM] Dr Chandra Shekhar Sharma: ЁЯТРЁЯТР
[11/10, 11:09 AM] D C Katoch Sir:
рднंрдЧा рдоाрдоी ( рдоाрддुрд▓ाрдиी) рдХी рддрд░рд╣ рд░ोрдЧी рдХो рдк्рдпाрд░ рд╕े рд╢ाрди्рдд рдХрд░рддी рд╣ैं ।
[11/10, 11:15 AM] Sanjay Chhajed Dr. Mumbai:
Calendula from which calamine is sourced is a medicine for herpes.
But even local injection of xylocaine is of no use in TN
The snehan in all forms is the remedy.
Shashi ji !
[11/10, 11:19 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
okay
Thanks a lot sir.ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯТРЁЯТРЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
[11/10, 11:20 AM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
Right sanjay sir ЁЯСНЁЯП╗
That's why alcohol injection is given in TN by allopaths.
Herpes is most superficial manifestation while TN nerve fibers are situated deeper in majorities.
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯМ╗
[11/10, 1:08 PM] Prof Giriraj Sharma:
рдирдорд╕्рдХाрд░ рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдп рд╢्рд░ी
Craiaial Nn (TN) рдоें
рджुрд╖्рдп - рд░рд╕ рд░рдХ्рдд *рдордЬ्рдЬा*
рд╕्рд░ोрддрд╕ рджृрд╖्рдЯि рдоें рдк्рд░ाрдгрд╡рд╣ , рд░рд╕рд╡рд╣ *рдордЬ्рдЬाрд╡рд╣*
Sciatica рдоें рдк्рд░ाрдпः рдордЬ्рдЬा рджुрд╖्рдп рдПрд╡ं рдордЬ्рдЬाрд╡рд╣ рд╕्рд░ोрддрд╕ рдХे рд╡िрд╖рдп рдоे рдЪрд░्рдЪा рдирд╣ी рдХी рдЬाрддी ।
рдЗрд╕рдХा рдХोрдИ рд╡िрд╢ेрд╖ рдХाрд░рдг рд╣ै рдХ्рдпा ,,
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯМ╣ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
[11/10, 1:35 PM] Dr. R S. Soni, Delhi:
рдк्рд░рдгाрдо рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдпЁЯЩПЁЯЩП
рдЧृрдз्рд░рд╕ी рдоें рд╡िрдХाрд░ рдиाреЬी рдоें рдиा рд╣ोрдХрд░ рдЕрд╕्рдеि рдпा рдЕрд╕्рдеिрд╕ंрдзि рдПрд╡ं рд╕्рдиाрдпु рдоें рд╣ोрддा рд╣ै, рдЬिрд╕рдХे рдХाрд░рдг рдиाреЬी рдкрд░ рдк्рд░рднाрд╡ рдЖрддा рд╣ै, рд╕ंрднрд╡рддः рдЗрд╕ рдЗрд╕ीрд▓िрдП рд╕ीрдзे рдордЬ्рдЬा рдпा рдордЬ्рдЬрд╡рд╣ рд╕्рд░ोрддрд╕ рдХी рдпрд╣ां рдЪрд░्рдЪा рдирд╣ीं рдХि рдЬाрддी рд╣ो।
рдЕрд▓рдмрдд्рддा рдЬीрд░्рдг рд╣ोрдиे рдкрд░ рдиिрд╢्рдЪрдп рд╣ी рдЧृрдз्рд░рд╕ी рд░ोрдЧ рдоें рднी рдордЬ्рдЬा рдзाрддु рдЧрдд рд╡िрдХाрд░ рдЙрдд्рдкрди्рди рд╣ोंрдЧे। рдпрдеा рдиाреЬी рдХा рд╢ोрд╖ЁЯЩПЁЯдФ
[11/10, 1:49 PM] Prof Giriraj Sharma:
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯСМЁЯП╗ЁЯМ╣ЁЯСМЁЯП╗ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
рдЕрд╕्рдеि рд╕рди्рдзि рдПрд╡ं рд╕्рдиाрдпु
рдЕрд╕्рдеि рд╕рди्рдзि рд╣ी рддो рдордЬ्рдЬाрд╡рд╣ рд╕्рд░ोрддрд╕ рдХे рдоूрд▓ рд╣ै рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдп ,,,
рдЪिंрддрди рдХा рд╡िрд╖рдп рдпрд╣ी рд╣ै рдоेрд░ा
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯМ╣ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
[11/10, 1:58 PM] Dr. R S. Soni, Delhi:
ЁЯЩПЁЯЩПЁЯМ╣
рдоेрд░ा рдХрдерди рднी рдЖрдкрдХी рдЕрд╡рдзाрд░рдгा рд╕े рдкृрдердХ рдирд╣ीं рд╣ै।
рдоूрд▓ рдоें рд╡िрдХाрд░ рдХा рдк्рд░рднाрд╡ рдХाрд▓ांрддрд░ рдоें рд╢ाрдЦा рдкрд░ рднी рджृрд╖्рдЯीрдЧोрдЪрд░ рд╣ोрддा рд╣ै।
рдпрд╣ी рдХाрд░рдг рд╣ै рдХि sciatica рдоें рдк्рд░ाрд░рдо्рдн рдоें рдХेрд╡рд▓ compresson рд╣ै рддрдм рддрдХ рдордЬ्рдЬा рдЧрдд рд╡िрдХाрд░ рдирд╣ीं। (рд╕ंрднрд╡рддः рдХреЮрд╡ाрддрдЬ рднेрдж ) рдХाрд▓ांрддрд░ рдоें nerve рдоें degeneration рд╣ो рдЬाрдиे рдкрд░ рдордЬ्рдЬाрдЧрдд рд╡िрдХृрддि рдоाрдиी рдЬाрдП, (рд╡ाрддिрдХ рднेрдж) рдРрд╕ा рдоेрд░ा рдоाрдирдиा рд╣ै।
рддрджрдиुрд░ूрдк рд╣ी рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ा рдиिрд░्рдзाрд░рдг рд╣ो।
рднूрд▓ рд╕ुрдзाрд░ рдХा рд╕рджैрд╡ рд╕्рд╡ाрдЧрдд рд╣ै।ЁЯЩПЁЯЩПЁЯШМ
[11/10, 2:10 PM] Prof Giriraj Sharma:
рд╕्рд░ोрдд рдкрд░िрдк्рд░ेрдХ्рд╖्рдп рдоें рдПрдХ рдЪिंрддрди
рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдп рд╕ुрд╢्рд░ुрдд
рдоेрджрд╡рд╣ рд╕्рд░ोрддрд╕ рдоें рдЕрд╕्рдеि , рдордЬ्рдЬा рдХा рд╡рд░्рдгрди
рд╡рд╣ी рдкрд░ рдоेрдж рд╕े рд╕्рдиाрдпु рдХो рдЙрддрдкрддि
рдЕрд░्рдеाрдд
1 рдоेрдж рд╕े рд╕्рдиाрдпु
2 рдоेрджрд╡рд╣ рд╕्рд░ोрддрд╕ рдоें рдЕрд╕्рдеि рдПрд╡ं рдордЬ्рдЬा
рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдп рдЪрд░рдХ
рдоेрджрд╡рд╣ рд╕्рд░ोрддः
рдЕрд╕्рдеिрд╡рд╣ः рд╕्рд░ोрддрд╕ рдХा рдоूрд▓ рдоेрджोрдоुрд▓рдо
рдордЬ्рдЬрд╡рд╣ рд╕्рд░ोрддрд╕ рдХा рдоूрд▓ рдЕрд╕्рдеि рд╕ंрдзि
рд╕ूрдХ्рд╖्рдорддा рд╕े рдЪिंрддрди рдХрд░े рддो рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдп рдЪрд░рдХ рдПрд╡ं рд╕ुрд╢्рд░ुрдд рдоें рдХोрдИ рдорддрднेрдж рдирд╣ी
рдоेрдж рд╕े рд╕्рдиाрдпु рдЕрд╕्рдеि рдордЬ्рдЬा рдЪрд░рдХ (рдЙрдд्рддрд░ोрдд्рддрд░)
рдордЬ्рдЬाрд╡рд╣ рдХा рдоूрд▓ рдЕрд╕्рдеि
рдЕрд╕्рдеिрд╡рд╣ः рдХा рдоूрд▓ рдоेрдж,,,
рдореЫ्реЫा/ рдорд╕्рддुрд▓ुंрдЧ рд╢िрд░рд╕्рде
рдордЬ्рдЬा / рдордЬ्рдЬा
рд╕्рдиाрдпु рдорд░्рдо рдЕрднिрдШाрдд рд▓рдХ्рд╖рдг Nerve related,,,,
рдЗрди рдкрд░ рд╕ूрдХ्рд╖्рдорддा рдкрд░ рдЪिंрддрди рдХрд░े рддो ,,,
рд╡ाрдд рд╡्рдпाрдзि рдоें рдордЬ्рдЬा рдЕрд╕्рдеि рдХा рдмрд╣ुрддाрдпрдд рд╡рд░्рдгрди
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯМ╣ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
[11/10, 2:17 PM] Prof Giriraj Sharma:
рдордЬ्рдЬाрд╡рд╣ рд╕्рд░ोрддः рдХे рдоूрд▓ рдЕрд╕्рдеि рд╕рди्рдзि рд╣ै ।
рдордЬ्рдЬा рдХो рдЕрдЧрд░ рд╢िрд░рд╕्рде рдорд╕्рддुрд▓ुंрдЧ рдоाрдиे рддो
рдорд╕्рддुрд▓ुंрдЧ рддाрд▓рд╡рд╕्рдеि рдиाрдордпेрдд,,,
рдЕрд╕्рдеि
Cranial Nn pass out by cranium cavity by any *forman , fissures and canal due to stenosis of these*,,
Compression of Nn in this very common ,,,
Elongated, Little growth , and others structural compression. These factors (рдЕрд╕्рдеिрдиि рд╕рди्рдзिрдп) are are compressed many cranial nn (рдорд╕्рддुрд▓ुंрдЧ)
Facial Nn in stylomostoid forman
Styloid process elongated and compress the GF Nn, and Mandibular Branch of trigeminal Nn ,,,
Like many Example ...
Where Nn compressed by others structures ,,, рд╕рди्рдзि рд╕िрд░्рдл рдЕрд╕्рдеि рд╕рди्рдзि рд╣ी рдирд╣ी рдЕрди्рдп рд╕рди्рдзि рдХे рд▓िрдП рднी рдк्рд░рдпुрдХ्рдд рд╣ुрдЖ рд╣ै ।
In spinal cord the spinal Nn often compressed by рдЕрд╕्рдеि vertebra,,,,
Also Gap of Junction рд╕ंрдзि,,,,
*Canal stenosis* Sciatica Nn is example of compression of bone and other structure like disc prolapse,
And рд╕рди्рдзि join gaps affects spinal Nn ,,,
In Carpal tunnel Syndrome median Nn compressed by Lunate Carpal Bone dislocation also a cause of this ASTHI SANDHI
рдордЬ्рдЬाрд╡рд╣ рд╕्рд░ोрддः рдХे рдоूрд▓ рдЕрд╕्рдеि рдПрд╡рдо рд╕рди्рдзि рдХрд╣рдиे рдкрд░ рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдп рдЪрд░рдХ рдХрд╣ीं рдЗрд╕ рдк्рд░рдХाрд░ рдХे рдЕрд╕्рдеि рд╕рди्рдзि рдХे рдкрд░िрдкेрдХ्рд╖्рдп рдоें рддो рдЗंрдЧिрдд рдирд╣ी рдХрд░ рд░рд╣े ।
рдордЬ्рдЬा /рдорд╕्рддुрд▓ुंрдЧ Central Nerves System ,,,,
рдЕрд╕्рдеि /рд╕ंрдзि skull / vertebrae and canal forman of bone and bundles of structures ,,,,
[11/10, 2:23 PM] Dr. Sadhana Babel, Pune:
In spine disorder
Even post buldging, herniation etc too
[11/10, 2:28 PM] Dr. Sadhana Babel, Pune:
In charak in dhatugat vat he all dhatu separately mentioned with chikitsa
But asthi and majja in combination
Asthimajjagat vata
And chikitsa Sneh рдЕрдн्рдпांрддрд░ and bahya
There is hairline to differentiat each other
Panchtiktaghrut gugul
snigdh gugul kalp
Very useful in majjagat vata.
[11/10, 3:34 PM] pawan madan Dr:
ЁЯЩПЁЯЩП Badhiya chintana hai Giriraj sir. Kisi bhi srotas ka mool jaanne ka chikitsa me kya auchitya hai? Kya ye kisi anatomical significance ki aur ishara karta hai? JItna maine abhi tak samjha wo ye hai ke --- Sroto mool ki chikitsa karne par smasta srotas ki chikitsa me safalta milti hai. Isliye is vishya me chintan hona chahiye.
[11/10, 3:36 PM] pawan madan Dr:
aapke dhyan aakarshan hetu ---------- MAJJA – SUSHRUT SHARIR 4/12-13 – MAJJA is the tissue filled in the large bones.
-MAJJAVAHA SROTAS has the MOOL in ASTHIS AND SANDHIS – CHARAK VIMANA 5/8
The function of MAJJA is POORAN – ASH HRIDYA SUTRA 11/4
MAJJA causes the ASTHIPOORAN, provides SNEHA, BALA, does SHUKRAPUSHTI – SU SHARIRA 15/5 - This second type of majja type also needs attention......
[11/10, 4:42 PM] Dr Manu Vats, Patiala:
It's great Sir...
Couldn't understand Srotodushtee part..Atipravarti and Sanga....pls explain.
Dr. Soni
Regards
[11/10, 5:06 PM] pawan madan Dr:
рджोрд╖ाрд╕्рддु рджुрд╖्рдЯाрд╕्рдд्рд░рдп рдПрд╡ рдорди्рдпां рд╕рдо्рдкीрдб्рдп рдШाрдЯाрд╕ु рд░ुрдЬां рд╕ुрддीрд╡्рд░ाрдо् |
рдХुрд░्рд╡рди्рддि рдпोрд╜рдХ्рд╖िрдн्рд░ुрд╡ि рд╢рдЩ्рдЦрджेрд╢े рд╕्рдеिрддिं рдХрд░ोрдд्рдпाрд╢ु рд╡िрд╢ेрд╖рддрд╕्рддु ||реп||
рдЧрдг्рдбрд╕्рдп рдкाрд░्рд╢्рд╡े рддु рдХрд░ोрддि рдХрдо्рдкं рд╣рдиुрдЧ्рд░рд╣ं рд▓ोрдЪрдирдЬांрд╢्рдЪ рд░ोрдЧाрди् |
рдЕрдирди्рддрд╡ाрддं рддрдоुрджाрд╣рд░рди्рддि рджोрд╖рдд्рд░рдпोрдд्рдеं рд╢िрд░рд╕ो рд╡िрдХाрд░рдо् ||резреж||
(рд╕ु. рдЙ. рддं. рдЕ. реирел) |
TRIDOSHAJA SAMPRAPTI ----- ЁЯСНЁЯСНЁЯСМЁЯП╗ЁЯСМЁЯП╗ЁЯСМЁЯП╗ЁЯСМЁЯП╗ЁЯСМЁЯП╗
[11/10, 6:21 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
рдк्рд░ाрдпोрдЧिрдХ рд░ूрдк рд╕े рд╕्рд╡рдпं рдиाреЬी рдоें рдХोрдИ рд╡ैрдХाрд░िрдХ рд╕्рд╡рд░ूрдк рдиा рд╣ोрдиे рд╕े рдордЬ्рдЬा рдХी рдЪрд░्рдЪा рдк्рд░ाрдпः рдирд╣ीं рдХी рдЬाрддी рдкрд░рди्рддु рд╕ैрдж्рдзाрди्рддिрдХ рд░ूрдк рд╕े рддो рдордЬ्рдЬा рдиिрд░्рдоाрдкрдХ рд╣ोрдиे рд╕े рд╡िрдЪाрд░рдгीрдп рддो рд╣ै । рд╕ुрд╖ुрдо्рдиा рдХे рд▓рдХ्рд╖рдг рдЙрдд्рдкрди्рди рд╣ोрдиे рдкрд░ рддो рдордЬ्рдЬा рдЕрд╡рд╢्рдпрд░ूрдкेрдг рд╡िрдЪाрд░рдгीрдп рд╣ै ।
рдЖ. рдЧिрд░िрд░ाрдЬ
рдЬी !
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯМ╗
[11/10, 6:31 PM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
namaskar sir, how can we co relate majja dushti with trigeminal neuralgia, excessive deep pain is due to innervation of dura matter by trigeminal nerve, which is very sensitive. ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
[11/10, 6:32 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
рд╕्рддुрдд्рдп рдк्рд░рдпाрд╕ рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдп рдЧिрд░िрд░ाрдЬрдЬी । рд╡рд╕्рддुрддः рд╕्рд░ोрддोрдоूрд▓ рдк्рд░ाрдердоिрдХ рд░ूрдк рд╕े рдЙрдд्рдкрдд्рддि рдФрд░ рджैрдиंрджिрди рдХ्рд░िрдпाрдд्рдордХ рдкोрд╖рдг рд╕े рд╕рдо्рдмंрдзिрдд рдоाрдирдиा рдЪाрд╣िрдП рдФрд░ рдЗрд╕ी рдХ्рд░рдордоें рд╡ैрдХाрд░िрдХ рднाрд╡ рднी рддрджрдиुрд╕ाрд░ рдЬाрдирдиा рдЪाрд╣िрдП । рдЖрдк рдж्рд╡ाрд░ा рдЙрдж्рдзृрдд рдЙрдж्рдзрд░рдгों рдоें рд╡िрд╣ाрд░рдЬ рдиिрджाрди рдк्рд░ाрдпः рдк्рд░ाрдзाрдиिрдХ рд░ूрдк рд╕े рджृрд╖्рдЯिрдЧोрдЪрд░ рд╣ोрддे рд╣ैं ।
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯМ╗
[11/10, 6:36 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
'Atipravritti' was proposed by Prof. Satish Panda ji in his post and I proposed 'Sanga' editing the post from my side.
Dr Manu !
[11/10, 6:37 PM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
and dura matter is fiberous connective tissue(snayu ?).
[11/10, 6:40 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
Neuronal interaction in nerve tissue is indicative of Majja dushti.
No Consideration of dura matter is required here as I understand.
Dr Shashi ji !
[11/10, 7:00 PM] Prof Giriraj Sharma:
рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдпा рд╢рд╢िрдЬी рд╢ुрдн рд╕ंрдз्рдпा
*рдЪрддुрд░्рд╡िрдзा рдпाрд╕्рддु рд╕िрд░ा* рдорд░्рдо рдкрд░िрдк्рд░ेрдХ्рд╖्рдп
рд╡ाрдд рджोрд╖ рдПрд╡ं рдордЬ्рдЬा рдзाрддु
рд╡ाрддрд╡рд╣ рд╕िрд░ा
рд╡ाрдд рджोрд╖ рдЕрд╕्рдеि рд╕ंрд╢्рд░рдп
рдордЬ्рдЬा рдЕрд╕्рдеि рд╕ंрд╢्рд░рдп ( рд╢िрд░ोрдЧрдд)
рдорд╕्рддिрд╖्рдХрдЧрдд рдордЬ्рдЬा (рдорд╕्рддुрд▓ुंрдЧ)
рд╡ाрддрд╡рд╣ рд╕िрд░ाрдХрд░्рдо рдЖрдХुंрдЪрди рдк्рд░рд╕ाрд░рдгрдо рд╕्рдкрд░्рд╢рд╡рд╣ा
Trigeminal Nerve is рд╡ाрддрд╡рд╣ рд╕िрд░ा ,,, (рд╕्рдиाрдпुрдЧрдд рд╡ाрддрд╡рд╣ рд╕िрд░ा)
рд╢िрд░ोрдЧрдд рд░ोрдЧ рдоें рдордЬ्рдЬाрдЕрд╕्рдеि рдЬрди्рдп рд╕рдо्рдк्рд░ाрдк्рддि рдЬ्рдпाрджा рдоिрд▓ рд░рд╣ी рд╣ै ।
рд╡ाрдд рдХा рд╕्рдеाрди рдзाрддुрдУं рдоें рдЕрд╕्рдеि рдХे рд╕ाрде рдордЬ्рдЬा рд╣ै ,,,,?
*рдордЬ्рдЬाрдзाрддु* рдХो рдЕрдЧрд░ рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдп рдиे рд╡ाрдд рджोрд╖ рдХा рд╕्рдеाрди рдХрд╣ा рд╣ै рддो PNS рд╡ाрддрд╡рд╣ рд╕िрд░ा рд╣ी рд╣ै । рдЬो рд╕्рдиाрдпुрдЧрдд рднी рд╣ो рд╕рдХрддी рд╣ै ।
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯМ╣ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
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[11/8, 11:27 PM] Dr. R S. Soni, Delhi:
For Trigeminal neuralgia
42 рд╡рд░्рд╖ीрдп рд╕्рдд्рд░ी рд░ुрдЧ्рдг, рд╡ाрдд рдкैрдд्рддिрдХ рдк्рд░рдХृрддि, рдордз्рдпрдо рд╕рд╣рдирдиं, рдЬिрд╕े рд╡ाрдо рдЧंрдб рдк्рд░рджेрд╢ рдоें 2 рд╡рд░्рд╖ों рд╕े рджाрд╣ рдпुрдХ्рдд рдкीреЬा рд╣ोрддी рдеी।
рд░ोрдЧी рдХे рдЕрдиुрд╕ाрд░ рдЙрд╕े рджंрдд рд╡िрдХाрд░ рдеा, рдЬिрд╕े рджंрдд рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕рдХ рдиे рдПрдХ рд╕ाрде 4 рджांрддो рдоें RCT рдХी। рддрдм рд╕े рд╣ी рдЙрд╕े рдпे рдкीреЬा рд╣ो рд░рд╣ी рдеी।
рд░ुрдЧ्рдгा рдиे рдЗрд╕рдХी рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ा рди्рдпूрд░ोрд▓ॉрдЬिрд╕्рдЯ рд╕े рдХрд░рд╡ाрдИ, рдЬिрд╕рдоें рдЙрд╕े рд╕्рдЯेрд░ॉрдпрдб рдХे рд╕ाрде segitol рдХी рдоाрдд्рд░ा рджिрди рдоें 3 рдмाрд░ рджी рдЬा рд░рд╣ी рдеी, рдХिрди्рддु рд╡िрд╢ेрд╖ рд▓ाрдн рдирд╣ीं рдеा। рдЗрд╕рд▓िрдпे рдЙрд╕рдиे рдЖрдпुрд░्рд╡ेрдж рдХी рд╢рд░рдг рд▓ी।
рдиिрджाрди- рд╢рд▓्рдп рдХрд░्рдо рдЬрди्рдп рд╡ाрдд рдк्рд░рдХोрдк
рджोрд╖- рд╡ाрдд, рдкिрдд्рдд
рджूрд╖्рдп- рд░рдХ्рдд, рдоेрдж
рд╕्рдеाрди рд╕ंрд╢्рд░рдп- рдд्рд░िрдХ рдиाреЬी, рдЧंрдб рдк्рд░рджेрд╢
рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ा- рд░ेрдЪрди, рд╕्рдиेрд╣рди, рдоृрджु рд╕्рд╡ेрджрди,рд╡ाрдд рдкिрдд्рдд рд╢рдорди।
рдФрд╖рдзि- рдк्рд░рдердо 5 рджिрди рдоृрджु рд░ेрдЪрди।
рдХ्рд╖ीрд░рдмрд▓ा рддेрд▓ рдЕрдн्рдпंрдЧ (рдоृрджु рд╕्рд╡ेрдж рдХे рд╕ाрде) рдПрд╡ं рдорд░्рд╖ рдирд╕्рдп।
рд╡िрд╖ рддिрди्рджुрдХ рд╡рдЯी,
рдХ्рд╖ीрд░рдмрд▓ा 101 рдЖрд╡ृрдд्рддि
рдмрд▓ा рдЕрд╢рд╡рдЧंрдзा рдХ्рд╖ीрд░рдкाрдХ
рдЬрдЯाрдоांрд╕ी рдЪूрд░्рдг , рдордзुрдпрд╖्рдЯि рдЪूрд░्рдг рдЧोрджрди्рддी рднрд╕्рдо рдХा рдпोрдЧ।
рдк्рд░рдердо рдПрдХ рдоाрд╣।
*рд░ोрдЧी рдХी рд╕्рдЯेрд░ॉрдпрдб рдк्рд░рдердо рджिрди рд╕े рдмंрдж। segitol рдХी рдоाрдд्рд░ा рдХрдо рдХрд░рддे рд╣ुрдП 15 рджिрди рдоें рдмंрдж।*
1 рдоाрд╣ рдмाрдж рд░ोрдЧी рдХो рдЕрдн्рдпंрдЧ рдФрд░ рдирд╕्рдп рд╕рддрдд।
*рдирд╕्рдп рд╣ेрддु рдЕрдгु рддेрд▓।*
рдЬрдЯाрдоांрд╕ी рдФрд░ рдХрдгा рдоूрд▓ рдЪूрд░्рдг рдоिрд╢्рд░ी рдХे рд╕ाрде।
рдЕрд╢्рд╡рдЧंрдзाрд░िрд╖्рдЯ।
рд░ोрдЧी рдХी рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ा рдЕрдк्рд░ेрд▓ рдоें рдЖрд░ंрдн рдХी рдЧрдИ рдеी।
*2 рдоाрд╣ рдмाрдж рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ा рдмंрдж рдХрд░ рджी рдЧрдИ।*
рдЕрдХ्рдЯूрдмрд░ рдоाрд╣ рдоें рд░ोрдЧी рдХो рдкुрдиः рджाрд╣ рдХी рдЕрдиुрднूрддि рд╣ुрдИ, рддो рд╡िрдЧрдд рдоाрд╣ рд╕े рдкुрдиः рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ा рд╢ुрд░ू рдХी рд╣ै। рд░ोрдЧी рдФрд╖рдз рд╕ेрд╡рди рдХрд░рддे рд╣ुрдП рдкूрд░्рдг рд╕ंрддुрд╖्рдЯ рд╣ै।
ЁЯЩПЁЯЩП
рд╡्рдпрд╡рд╕्рдеा рдкрдд्рд░
[11/8, 11:48 PM] Vaidyaraj Subhash Sharma, Delhi:
*рдЕрдд्рдпुрдд्рддрдо рд╡ैрдж्рдпрд╡рд░ рд░ाрдзेрд╢्рдпाрдо рдЬी, рдХिрд╕ी рднी рд░ोрдЧी рдХा рд╡ृрддांрдд рдк्рд░рд╕्рддुрдд рдХрд░рдиे рдХा рд╕ैрдж्рдзाрди्рддिрдХ рддрд░ीрдХा рдпрд╣ी рд╣ै рдЬिрд╕рдоें рд░ोрдЧ рдХा рдиिрджाрди рдХ्рдпा рдФрд░ рдХैрд╕े рдХिрдпा рдФрд░ рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ा рдХिрди рд╕िрдж्рдзाрди्рддों рдкрд░ рджी рдЧрдИ।*
*trigeminal neuralgia рдХे рд╣ेрддु рд╕рднी рд░ोрдЧिрдпों рдоें рднिрди्рди рд╣ोрддे рд╣ै рдФрд░ рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ा рднी рд╕рдо्рдк्рд░ाрдк्рддि рдШрдЯрдХों рдХे рдЕрдиुрд╕ाрд░, рдпрд╣ी рдЖрдпुрд░्рд╡ेрдж рдХी рд╡िрд╢ेрд╖рддा рд╣ै। рдЖрдкрдиे рд╕рд╣ी рд╕िрдж्рдз рдХिрдпा।*
ЁЯСМЁЯСНЁЯСПЁЯМ╣ЁЯТРЁЯМ║ЁЯЩП
[11/8, 11:53 PM] Dr Divyesh Desai:
ЁЯСПЁЯП╜ЁЯСПЁЯП╜рд╕рдЪोрдЯ рд╕рдо्рдк्рд░ाрдк्рддि рд╡िрдШрдЯрди рдПрд╡рдо рд╣ेрддु рд╡िрдкрд░ीрдд рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ा...
[11/9, 5:58 AM] Sanjay Chhajed Dr. Mumbai:
Excellent thought process sir,
Wonderful analysis.
[11/9, 6:10 AM] Sanjay Chhajed Dr. Mumbai:
Trigeminal neuralgia, is a really painful and diisabling disease. What I feel
It is predominantly vata disease but we do find Kaph and Pitt association at times owing to symptoms.
Pran, udan (vakpravritti)
Sometimes bhrajak ( daha)
Shleshak ( Hanusandhi)
As the sthan goes it is Hanu sandhi, orbital area.
Dushya is mamsa, Rakta ( sira, kandara, ), majja
[11/9, 7:26 AM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
рдЕрдирди्рдд рд╡ाрдд рдкрд░ рдЪрдХ्рд░рдкाрдгि рдЬी
ЁЯСЗЁЯП╗
рд╕िрд░ाрд░्рдХाрд╡рд░्рддрдиाрд╢рдиैрд░िрддि рд╕िрд░ाрд╡्рдпрдзैः, рд╕ूрд░्рдпाрд╡рд░्рддрдиाрд╢рдиैрд╢्рдЪ рднेрд╖рдЬैः॥реорек-реорен॥
ЁЯСЗЁЯП╗
рд╕ूрд░्рдпाрд╡рд░्рдд рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ा
ЁЯСЗЁЯП╗
рджिрдирдХ्рд╖рдпे рддрддः рд╕्рдд्рдпाрдиे *рдорд╕्рддिрд╖्рдХे* рд╕рдо्рдк्рд░рд╢ाрдо्рдпрддि ।
рд╕ूрд░्рдпाрд╡рд░्рддः рд╕ рддрдд्рд░ рд╕्рдпाрдд् рд╕рд░्рдкिрд░ौрдд्рддрд░рднрдХ्рддिрдХрдо् ॥реорез॥
рд╢िрд░ःрдХाрдпрд╡िрд░ेрдХौ рдЪ рдоूрд░्рдз्рдиा *рдд्рд░िрд╕्рдиेрд╣рдзाрд░рдгрдо्реи ।*
рдЬाрдЩ्рдЧрд▓ैрд░ुрдкрдиाрд╣рд╢्рдЪ *рдШृрддрдХ्рд╖ीрд░ैрд╢्рдЪ рд╕ेрдЪрдирдо्рей ॥реореи॥*
ЁЯСЖЁЯП╗
(indication of shirodhara)
рдмрд░्рд╣िрддिрдд्рддिрд░िрд▓ाрд╡ाрджिрд╢ृрддрдХ्рд╖ीрд░ोрдд्рдеिрддं рдШृрддрдо् ।
*рд╕्рдпाрди्рдиाрд╡рдиं* *рдЬीрд╡рдиीрдпрдХ्рд╖ीрд░ाрд╖्рдЯрдЧुрдгрд╕ाрдзिрддрдо् ॥*
реорей॥
My message to you that Majja is pradhan dooshya in all shiroroga.
Dr. Radheshyam ji !!ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗
[11/9, 7:31 AM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
We can't treat such diseases without sneha whether we give plenty of drugs that supposed to act on vessels or vasculature or not.
[11/9, 8:14 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
Trigeminal nerve is 5th cranial nerve,responsible for both motor and sensory functions of face, biting & chewing, largest cranial nerve, thrice twinned, three branches, ophthalmic (V1), Maxillary (V2), Mandibular(V3).
[11/9, 8:37 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
Light touch is tested in each of the three divisions of the trigeminal nerve and on each side of the face using a cotton wisp or tissue paper. The ophthalmic division is tested by touching the forehead, the maxillary division is tested by touching the cheeks, and the mandibular division is tested by touching the chin.
[11/9, 8:57 AM] Vd V. B. Pandey Basti U. P:
Mam I salute your deep knowledge.ЁЯЩП My wife was also having headache for which I met various physician but none was so perfect in his clinical practise.Thanks god it subsided just by simple morning walk in Brahma Mahurat.
[11/9, 9:08 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
Good morning sir ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ salutes to this group, and its posts , I alone is nothing.ЁЯТРЁЯТРЁЯТРЁЯТР
[11/9, 9:11 AM] Prof Giriraj Sharma:
*рд╢िрд░ोрдЧрддा рд╕िрд░ा рд╡ृрдж्рдзों рд╡ाрдпुрд░ाрд╡िрд╢्рдп рдХुрдк्рдпрддि*
рд╢िрд░ोрдЧрдд рд╕िрд░ा- Neurovascular Bundel
рд╡ाрдпुрд░ाрд╡िрд╢्рдп =рд╡ाрддрдк्рд░рдзाрди рд╕िрд░ा
рдЙрд░्рдз्рд╡рдЧ рд╕्рдкрд░्рд╢рд╡рд╣ा рд╕िрд░ा
Trigeminal Nn
рд╢ंрдЦ,
рд▓рд▓ाрдЯ,
рдШाрдЯा - рдХрд░्рдг рд╕े рдкрд╢्рдЪ рднाрдЧ, рд╡िрдзुрд░ , рдХृрдХाрдЯिрдХा рдорд░्рдо
рд╢्рд░ोрдд
*рднृрд╢ं рд╢ंрдЦों рдШाрдЯा*
рд╡िрджुрд░ рдорд░्рдо рдХृрдХाрдЯिрдХा рдорд░्рдо рдЖрдШाрдд
Compression of Trigeminal Nn in Stylomostoid process.
[11/9, 9:14 AM] Prof. Deep Narayan Pandey:
Excellent.
And, we must not ignore the cause of headache, for that could cost life in numerous cases and circumstances.
Going in to the perfect nid─Бn, avoiding the s├кvan of that, and then subsequently treating the impaired d┼Нsha is necessary. Otherwise, relief is transient and temporary, and harmful in the long run.
[11/9, 9:22 AM] Dr Sukhveer Verma:
I think Trigeminal Neuralgia is not the type of headache. It should treated as Ardita chikitsa
рдиाрд╡рдиं рдоूрд░्рдз्рдиि рддैрд▓ं рддрд░्рдкрдгрдоेрд╡ рдЪ
рдиाрдбीрд╕्рд╡ेрджोрдкрдиाрд╣ाрд╢्рдЪाрдк्рдпाрдиूрдкрдкिрд╢िрддैрд░्рд╣िрддाः
[11/9, 9:24 AM] Dr. R S. Soni, Delhi:
рдЖрд╢ीрд░्рд╡рдЪрдиों рдХे рд▓िрдпे рдЖрднाрд░ рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдпрд╡рд░।ЁЯЩПЁЯЩП
рдЖрдкрд╕े рдЗрд╕ рд░ोрдЧी рдоें рдЕрдкुрдирд░्рднрд╡ рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ाрд░्рде рджिрд╢ाрдиिрд░्рджेрд╢ рдХी рдЖрд╡рд╢्рдпрдХрддा рд╣ै।ЁЯЩПЁЯЩПЁЯШМЁЯМ╣ЁЯМ╣
[11/9, 9:24 AM] Dr Sukhveer Verma:
*рдиाреЬी рд╕्рд╡ेрджрди рдХे рд▓िрдП рднी рд╡िрд╢ेрд╖рдд рджुрдЧ्рдз рд╡ рдмрд▓ा рдХ्рд╡ाрде рдк्рд░рдпोрдЧ рдоें рд▓ाрдиा рдЪाрд╣िрдП
[11/9, 9:29 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
Very good morning sir, Absolutely right sir as trigeminal nerve is both sensory and motor, anatomocally present in face, origin is in brain, TN will be multifactorial. and so will be the chikitsa. ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯТРЁЯТР
Purusham purusham ЁЯСНЁЯП╝ЁЯСМЁЯСМЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯТРЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯТРЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
[11/9, 9:31 AM] Dr Rajanish Pathak:
Nadi swedan have much effect in pain along with vrinhan Karma... Application of oils n internal ghrit sevan... E. G. Ksheerbala 101cap
Bala sahachar prasarani oils application
[11/9, 9:48 AM] Dr Bhadresh Nayak, Surat:
Diffarnciate the shirshul according to the sign and symptoms then treated
Now a days stress headaches are major concerns
Hetu viprit and does and don't are important
Nidan parvartan is line of treatment.
[11/9, 9:48 AM] Dr. R S. Soni, Delhi:
рд╕ुрд╖्рдаु рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдпрд╡рд░ рд╕ोрдиी рд╕рд░ЁЯСПЁЯСПЁЯЩП
рдФрдд्рддрд░рднрдХ्рдд рдШृрдд рдкाрди рдиिрд╢्рдЪрдп рд╣ी рдЗрд╕ рд░ोрдЧी рдХी рд╕рдо्рдк्рд░ाрдк्рддि рд╡िрдШрдЯрди рдоें рд╕рд╣ाрдпрдХ рд╣ो рд╕рдХрддा рд╣ै।
рд╡िрдЪाрд░ рдз्рдпाрди рдоें рднी рдеा, рдХिрди्рддु рдФрд╖рдз рдЕрдиुрдкрд▓рдм्рдзрддा рдПрд╡ं рд░ुрдЧ्рдг рдХा рдФрд╖рдз рд╡िрдж्рд╡ेрд╖ рджोрдиों рдХाрд░рдгों рд╕े рдЗрд╕ рд╡िрдЪाрд░ рдХो рдд्рдпाрдЧрдиा рдкреЬा।
рдЙрдкрд▓рдм्рдзрддा рдХी рдмाрдд рддो рдпрд╣ рд╣ै рдХि рдкिрдк्рдкрд▓ी рдоूрд▓ рдЪूрд░्рдг рднी рд░ोрдЧी рдХो рдиिрд░्рджेрд╢ рдХे 15 рджिрди рдмाрдж рдЙрдкрд▓рдм्рдз рд╣ो рдкाрдпा।
рд░ाрдЬрдХीрдп рд╕ेрд╡ा рдоें рдЗрд╕ рд╕े рдЬ्рдпाрджा рдХिрдпा рднी рдирд╣ीं рдЬा рд╕рдХрддा।ЁЯШМЁЯЩП
[11/9, 10:19 AM] Dr. R S. Soni, Delhi:
ЁЯСМЁЯСМ
рд▓ाрдХ्рд╖рдгिрдХ рд░ूрдк рд╕े рдпे рд╢िрд░ рд╢ूрд▓ рдХी рд╢्рд░ेрдгी рдоें рдирд╣ी।
рдЗрд╕рдХी рд░ुрдЬा рдХ्рд╖ेрдд्рд░ рдПрдХ рдкाрд░्рд╢्рд╡ рдЕрдХ्рд╖ि рдХोрдЯрд░, рдЧंрдб рдк्рд░рджेрд╢, рдЪिрдмुрдХ, рдПрд╡ं рд╣рдиु рдк्рд░рджेрд╢ рд╣ैं рдиा рдХि рд╢िрд░ः рдк्рд░рджेрд╢।
[11/9, 10:22 AM] L. k. Dwivedi Sir:
ЁЯЩПЁЯХЙЁЯЩПЁЯдФGRita,kumkum, karpur and Swasakuthar RASA,ka navan sirorogo me 3-7 din prayoga atyupayogi.
Jivan me 1 rugna 80 varshiya me prayukta.
Us Samay 1-2varsha, upcar liya . Nidan va shalya karm ka kharch vahan me, a samarth ,
IMPCL, Mohan ke worker's grand mam. vicarain.
RYS/ BP .me sandarbhit hai.
[11/9, 10:31 AM] Dr. Rituraj Verma:
Trigeminal neuralgia--
рд╢िрд░ is рдХрдлрд╕्рдеाрди,TN is a condition where рд╡ाрдд is aggravated in рдХрдл рд╕्рдеाрди.
Pain aggravates more in cold weather.
In TN рд╢ीрдд and рдЪрд▓ рдЧुрдг increased.
рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ा- рд╡ाрдЯрдк्рд░рдХोрдк in рдХрдлрд╕्рдеाрди
рдХрдлाрд╡ृрдд рд╡ाрдд рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ा
рдЙрд╖्рдг рд╡ीрд░्рдп рдФрд╖рдз рдк्рд░рдпोрдЧ
рдирд╕्рдп- рдЙрд╖्рдг рд╡ीрд░्рдп рдФрд╖рдз
рд▓ेрдк- рдоाрд╖ рдЪूрд░्рдг (рдЧोрджुрдЧ्рдз рдпा рдЕंрдбे рдХे рд╕рдлेрдж рднाрдЧ рдоें рдоिрд▓ाрдХрд░)
рдирд╕्рдп- рд╖рджрдмिрди्рджु рддेрд▓,рдоाрд╖ рддेрд▓
рдмрд▓ा рдХ्рд╖ीрд░ рдзूрдо
рдХрд╡рд▓-рдЗрд░िрдоेрджाрджि рддेрд▓
[11/9, 10:32 AM] Dr. R S. Soni, Delhi:
ЁЯЩПЁЯЩПрдк्рд░рдгाрдо рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдп рд╢्рд░ेрд╖्рдаЁЯМ╣
рдиाрд╡рди рдХे рд╕ंрджрд░्рдн рдоें рдПрдХ рдЕрдиुрднрд╡ЁЯСЗЁЯП╗
37 рд╡рд░्рд╖ीрдпा рдПрдХ рдорд╣िрд▓ा рд╕ाрдеी рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕рдХ рдХो рдк्рд░рддि 2рд╕े3 рджिрди рдкрд░ рд╢िрд░ः, рдорди्рдпा рдк्рд░рджेрд╢ рдоें рд╢ूрд▓ рд╣ोрддा рдеा, рдЕрди्рдп рдЕрдиेрдХ рд╢ूрд▓ рдк्рд░рд╢рдорди рдЙрдкрдЪाрд░ рд╕े рддाрдд्рдХाрд▓िрдХ рд▓ाрдн рдоिрд▓ рдЬाрддा рдеा।
рд╢ाрд╕्рдд्рд░ोрдХ्рдд *рд╡рдЪा рдПрд╡ं рдкिрдк्рдкрд▓ी рдЪूрд░्рдг рдХा рдордзु рд╕े рдиाрд╡рди* рдХा рд╡िрдзाрди рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ाрд░्рде рдиिрд░्рдзाрд░िрдд рдХिрдпा рдЧрдпा।
рдЧ्рд░ुрдк рдХी рдкूрд░्рд╡ рд╕рдо्рдоाрдиिрдд рд╢ाрд▓рдХ्рдп рд╡िрдж рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдпा рд╢्рд░ीрдорддी рдЕрдиुрдкрдоा рдкाрдд्рд░ा рдЬी рдХे рд╕ाрдиिрдз्рдп рдоें рдпे рдк्рд░рдпोрдЧ рдХिрдпा рдЧрдпा। рд╕рдлрд▓ рд░рд╣ा।
рдЕрдм рд▓рдЧрднрдЧ 3-4 рдоाрд╣ рдХे рдЕंрддрд░ाрд▓ рдкрд░ рдХрднी рджрд░्рдж рд╣ोрддा рд╣ै рддो рдоाрдд्рд░ рдПрдХ рдмाрд░ рдХे рдиाрд╡рди рд╕े рд╣ी рд╢ूрд▓ोрдкрд░рдо рд╣ो рдЬाрддा рд╣ै।
[11/9, 11:19 AM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
*Most important and notable point stated by Radheshyam ji.*
ЁЯСНЁЯП╗ЁЯдЭЁЯП╗
Route cause and depth of the pathology must be evaluated. Simple mootra purisha vega vidharan may lead to shirahshool that will be a vatik type of disease.
This is the reason that charak had to mention vishishtha shirorogas in Trimarmiya Siddhi sthan.
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯМ╗
[11/9, 11:21 AM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
рд╕рдо्рдк्рд░ाрдк्рддि рд╡рд░्рдгрди рдоें рдорд╕्рддुрд▓ुंрдЧ/рдордЬ्рдЬा рдХो рднूрд▓ рдЧрдП рдЛрддुрд░ाрдЬ рд╡рд░्рдоा рд╕ाрдм ?
Nerve tissues made up with majja dhatu.
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗
[11/9, 11:23 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal: ЁЯСМЁЯСМЁЯСПЁЯСПЁЯСНЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯТРЁЯТРЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
[11/9, 11:25 AM] Dr. Rituraj Verma:
Oh sorry sir ji !
[11/9, 11:38 AM] Prof Giriraj Sharma:
рдордЬ्рдЬрд╡рд╣ рд╕्рддोрдд्рд░рд╕ рдХा рдоूрд▓
рдЕрд╕्рдеिрдиिрдоूрд▓,,,, рд╕рди्рдзि рд╣ी рд╣ै ,,,,
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯМ╣ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
[11/9, 11:49 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
Excessive mobile calls are also one factor of vaat prakop in shirah pradesh.
[11/9, 11:50 AM] Dr. Sandeep Kushawaha:
рдордпुрд░ рдШृрдд рдХे рд╕ंрджрд░्рдн рдоें рд╡िрдЪाрд░े ,...рдШрдЯрдХ рдж्рд░рд╡्рдпो рдоें рдордпुрд░ рдоांрд╕ рд░рд╕ рдХे рд╕ाрде, рдмрд▓ा ,рдд्рд░िрдлрд▓ा рджрд╢рдоूрд▓ рдЖрджि рдХे рдХ्рд╡ाрде рдХे рд╕ाрде рдШृрдд рдкाрдХ рд╣ै рд╕ाрде рдоें рдЬीрд╡рдиीрдп рдж्рд░рд╡्рдпो рдХे рдХрд▓्рдХ рдХा рдк्рд░рдпोрдЧ рд╣ै,,... рдПрддрджрд░्рде рдЪрд░्рдЪा рдЕрдиुрд░ुрдк рдШृрдд , рд╡ाрдд рд╢ाрдордХ рджрд╢рдоूрд▓, рдмрд▓ा рд╡рд╣ рдд्рд░िрдлрд▓ा рдЖрджि рддрдеा рдЬीрд╡рдиीрдп рдЧрдг рдХा рд╣ोрдиे рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ोрдкрдпोрдЧी рд╣ै ..... рдордпुрд░ рдоांрд╕ рдХे рд╡िрдХрд▓्рдк рдоें рд╢рд╢ांрдХ, рдоूрд╖рдХ рд╡ рдХुрдХ्рдХुрдЯ рдоांрд╕ рдХा рдиिрд░्рджेрд╢ рднी рд╣ै.... рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ा рд╕ूрдд्рд░ рдЕрдиुрд░ूрдк рд╣ोрдиे рд╕े рд╡िрдЪाрд░рдгीрдп рд╣ै।
[11/9, 11:53 AM] Prof Giriraj Sharma:
рдорд╕्рддुрд▓ुंрдЧ рдХे рдХ्рд╖рдп рд╕े (рддाрд▓ू) *рдЕрд╕्рдеि рдирдордпेрдд,*,,
рдореЫ्реЫा рдзाрддु / рдорд╕्рддुрд▓ुंрдЧ рджोрдиो рдоें рдЕрд╕्рдеि рд╣ी рдк्рд░рднाрд╡िрдд рд╣ो рд░рд╣ी рд╣ै ।
*рднृрд╢ं* рдЕрд╕्рдеि рдХो рдоूрд▓ рднी рд╣ै рдФрд░ рдХ्рд╖рдп рдкрд░िрдгाрдо рднी рд╣ै ।
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯМ╣ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
[11/9, 11:59 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
majja, pr oral and basti is best vaat shamak, kharoron ka soup le skte hain agar non vegetarian hain ?
[11/9, 1:26 PM] L. k. Dwivedi Sir:
Sooryoday wale kalp me ,Pushkar Mula Curna Or godanti Bhasma or arkake prawalkonpal(komal patrabud) bhi vikalpa se practiceme dete dekha.
[11/9, 2:55 PM] Sanjay Chhajed Dr. Mumbai:
This is very important to differenciate between Shrahshool and TN.
It is the pain in the area around mouth. Trigeminal.
[11/9, 4:11 PM] Prof Giriraj Sharma:
рдирдорд╕्рдХाрд░ рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдп рд╕ोрдиी рдЬी !
рдЕрдирди्рддрд╡ाрдд рд╡ाрдд рдоें рдорди्рдпा рдПрд╡ं рдШाрдЯा рд╢рдм्рдж рдЖрдпे рд╣ै ।
рдорди्рдпा рдЧ्рд░ीрд╡ा рдоें рд╕्рдеिрдд рд╕्рдеाрди рд╣ै
рдПрд╡рдо рдШाрдЯा рд╢рдм्рдж рдХрд░्рдг рдХे рдкीрдЫे рдХा рдЧ्рд░ीрд╡ा рднाрдЧ рд╣ै ।
рджोрдиो рдкрд░ рд╣ी Trigeminal Nn рдж्рд╡ाрд░ा supply рдирд╣ी рд╣ोрддी рд╣ै ।
[11/9, 6:17 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
рдЖрдк рдпрдеाрдпोрдЧ्рдп рд╕्рд╡ीрдХाрд░्рдп рдоाрд░्рдЧрджрд░्рд╢рди рдк्рд░рджाрди рдХीрдЬिрдП ।
рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдп рдЧिрд░िрд░ाрдЬ рдЬी ।
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯМ╗
[11/9, 6:46 PM] Dr. Vinod Sharma, Gajiabad:
Sir it's Emergency Management not for long run tt.
U can treat the patient after shaman the Shirhshool according to his DOSH, KAAL, PRAKRITI, DUSHYA etc but for immediate relief u can use this combination .
I don't use it for long duration sir .
Regards sir.
[11/9, 6:46 PM] Prof Giriraj Sharma:
рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдп рд╢्рд░ी рд╕ोрдиी рдЬी !
рдЖрдкрдХे рд╡िрд╡ेрдЪрдиाрдд्рдордХ рдк्рд░рдЬ्рдЮा рд╕рд░्рд╡рджा рд╣ी рдк्рд░рд╢ंрд╕рдиीрдп рд░рд╣ी рд╣ै ।
рдЕрдирди्рддрд╡ाрдд рд╢рдм्рдж рд╡ाрдпु рдХी рдЕрдирди्рддा рдХो рднी рдЗंрдЧिрдд рдХрд░ рд░рд╣ा рд╣ै ।
рдоैंрдиे рдкूрд░्рд╡ рдХी рдбॉ рд╢рд╢ि рдЬिंрджрд▓ рдЬी рдХी рдкोрд╕्рдЯ рдоें *рднृрд╢ं* рд╢рдм्рдж *styloid process* рд╡िрджुрд░ рдПрд╡ं рдХृрдХाрдЯिрдХा рдорд░्рдо рдХा рд╡ाрддрдЬ рд╢िрд░ोрд░ोрдЧ рдоें рдЙрд▓्рд▓ेрдЦ рдХिрдпा рдеा ।
The elongated and ossified styloid process compressed lower border of mandibular part of trigeminal Nn with glossopharyngeal nn and facial Nn .
Due this compression the рдорди्рдпा (рдХंрда рдЬрди्рдп ) рдФрд░ рдШाрдЯा ( back of neck) рдкрд░ рдЗрд╕рдХा рдк्рд░рднाрд╡ рджृрд╖्рдЯिрдЧोрдЪрд░ рд╣ोрддा рд╣ै ।
рдордЬ्рдЬрд╡рд╣ рдХा рдоूрд▓ рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдп рдиे рдЕрд╕्рдеि рд╕рди्рдзि рдоाрдиा рд╣ै , CNS рдХो рдорд╕्рддुрд▓ुंрдЧ рдХрд╣рдХрд░ рдЕрд╕्рдеि рдЗрдирдХी pass out рдХो рдЪिंрддрди рдХрд░े рддो рд╢ाрдпрдж рдЕрдирди्рддрд╡ाрдд рдкрд░ рд╣рдо рдЪिंрддрди рдХрд░ рдкाрдПंрдЧे । рд╢िрд░ (skull including brain) рдорд╕्рддिрд╖्рдХीрдп рдордЬ्рдЬा рдХो рдорд╕्рддुрд▓ुंрдЧ рдПрд╡ं рд╢ेрд╖ рд╢рд░ीрд░рдЧрдд рдордЬ्рдЬा рдЕрд╕्рдеिрдиी рд╣ी рд╣ै ।
TN рдоे Eagle's s Syndrome рдХो рд╕рдордЭेंрдЧे рддो рдЕрдирди्рддрд╡ाрдд рдХे рдЕрдирди्рдд рд╕्рд╡рд░ूрдк рд╢ाрдпрдж рдХुрдЫ рд░ोрд╢рдиी рдХी рдХिрд░рдг рджे рджे ।
рдЖрдк рдиिрд╢्рдЪिрдд рд╣ी рдЕрдирди्рддрд╡ाрдд рдХि рдЕрдирди्рддा рдХो рдЕрдкрдиे рд╡िрд╡ेрдЪрдиाрдд्рдордХ рдк्рд░рдЬ्рдЮा рд╕े рд╣рдоे рд╕рдордЭाрдПंрдЧे ।
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯМ╣ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
[11/9, 8:15 PM] Prof. Satish Panda K. C:
TN a mixed type nerve,means both sensory and GBmotor. Both sharira and manas bhav responsable in this case.
TN and it's probable.
SAMPRAPTI GHATAK .
Dosha – Vata Kapha/ Vata/
Tridosha
Dushya- Rakta
Strotas- Pranavaha.
Strotodusti- Atipravriti.
Rogamaarga–Madhyama.
Adhisthana- Murdha.
Sadhyasdhyata-Kruchhrasadhya / Yapya.
NIDANA PANCHAKA
Nidana – Ruksha Bhojana, Purva Vata Sevana, Avashyay, Vega Sandharana, Vyayama,
Purvaroopa –nil
Rupa – episodic.sudden onset, intense pain.ЁЯЩП
[11/9, 8:19 PM] Prof. Satish Panda K. C:
9.Shirasuladi vajra ras,sanjeewani vati, godanti bhasma, shutasekhar rasa,kaishore guggulu,рдЕрд╢्рд╡рдЧंрдзा рдШृрдд рдХे
Line of Management......
1.Deepana with Vaiswanara Churna - 3 days
2.Accha Snehapana with Ashwagandha ghrit.
– Uthamamatra
3.Abyanga and Swedana 2 days
4.Virechana with eranda taila+ milk- 25 ml with
milk, morning 6 am
5.Nasya with sadbindu taila.
6.Sirodhara with Mahanarayana tail.
7.Matravasthi with kshirasagar bala tail .
8.Sirovasthi with Brahmi taila.
The patient was instructed to avoid Ratrijagarana,
cold exposure, cold intake, Vatavardhakaahara.
9.above
10.Stress reduce management also a must.It aggravate the trigger of pain.
Emergency management - of headache.
Nasya with sutasekhar rasa.
Karna puran with visagarbh tail.
I Try to summarizeЁЯЩПЁЯП╗
[11/9, 8:20 PM] Dr. Vinod Sharma, Gajiabad:
ЁЯЩПЁЯЩПЁЯЩПЁЯЩПЁЯЩПЁЯЩПЁЯЩП thanku you so much sir ,
Now, I am unable to speak properly.
I don't know what I should do.
[11/9, 8:24 PM] Dr. Vinod Sharma, Gajiabad:
ЁЯЩПЁЯЩПЁЯЩПЁЯЩПЁЯЩПЁЯЩПЁЯЩП thank you so much sir for your concern .
Regards from the core of Heart .
[11/9, 8:42 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
TN a mixed type nerve,means both sensory and GBmotor. Both sharira and manas bhav responsable in this case.
TN and it's probable.
SAMPRAPTI GHATAK .
*Few proposed additions from my side in Samprapti if all are agree.*
1. Dosha – Vata Kapha/ Vata/
Tridosha
*+May be vat-pradhan(Vigunatva) Tridosha esp Pranvayu dushti & Tarpak kapha kshaya.*
2. Dushya- Rakta *+Ras, majja.*
3. Strotas- Pranavaha.
*+Ras, Rakta, Majja, .*
4. Strotodusti- Atipravriti.
*Sanga should be more appropriate.*
5.Rogamaarga– Madhyama. */Marma*
6. Adhisthana- Murdha.
*+7. Aashay- Pakwashay samuttha*
*+8. Agni- Manda/visham*
*+9. Sam/niram- both*
10. Vyadhi prakar- *+Ashukari / Chirakari*
11.Sadhyasdhyata- Kruchhrasadhya / Yapya.
NIDANA PANCHAKA
Nidana – Ruksha Bhojana, Purva Vata Sevana, Avashyay, Vega Sandharana, Vyayama,
Purvaroopa –nil
Rupa – episodic.sudden onset, intense pain.ЁЯЩП
Satish Sir & other Gurujan !!ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯМ╗
[11/9, 8:46 PM] Prof. Satish Panda K. C:
Other members requested to finalize this.
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗
[11/9, 8:47 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
Yes please....ЁЯСНЁЯП╗ЁЯСНЁЯП╗
[11/9, 8:50 PM] Sanjay Chhajed Dr. Mumbai:
Tarpak kaph kshaya is little questionable and tricky.
Dr. Soni !
[11/9, 8:53 PM] Dr. Sadhana Babel, Pune:
рдЖрд╢рдп рдЧृрд╣рдгी as majjadhara and рдкिрдд्рддाрдзрд░ा ashrayayshrayi ?
Can we think
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗
[11/9, 9:02 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
For Instant relief....
1. To stay in warm environment covering head with woolen cap and face. Avoud cold and direct exposure to air. Even Fan must be avoided if possible.
2. Frequent / muhurmuhu kaval dharan with hot til-tail until satisfactory relief is obtained.
3. Shiroabhyang 20 - 30 min/pichu esp hot mahavishagarbha tail etc
4. If possible continues Shirodhara with suitable oils like MVGT, MNT etc till relief is obtained.
5. Vatakulantak ras 125 mg
MB Vidhwansan Ras 250 mg
Godanti bhasma 1 gm
TDS
6. Ghritapan as discussed
Vinod Sir !!ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯМ╗
[11/9, 9:05 PM] Dr Ankur Sharma, Delhi:
ЁЯСПЁЯСПЁЯСМЁЯСМ
Please tell sir
Jyotishmati oil
And its preparation
Smritisagar ras
May be helpful in this condition sirЁЯЩПЁЯЩП
[11/9, 9:08 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
Smritisagar may not useful in acute pain condition.
Asked oil should be useful being ushna & medhya.
Dr. Ankur !!ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗
[11/9, 9:16 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
4 snehas are indicated in Anantavat.
Chhajed Sir !
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯМ╗
[11/9, 9:16 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni: ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯМ╗
[11/9, 9:31 PM] Dr. Vinod Sharma, Gajiabad:
My humble Regards to you sir ,
Thank you so much sir.
[11/9, 9:33 PM] Prof. Satish Panda K. C:
More appropriate term may be tarpak kapha vaigunya.
Am I Right?
In anata vata different types are also available.
1.Only vata
2.Vata kapha
3.Tridoshaj
Dr Soni !
ЁЯМ╣ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗
[11/9, 9:36 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
Difficult to accept... Vaigunya
Tridosha involved.
Satish ji !
[11/9, 9:39 PM] Dr. Sandeep Kushawaha:
Sir ji yaha mahavishgarbh рдХी рдЬрдЧрд╣ рдХोрдИ рдЕрди्рдп рд╡ाрддрд╢ाрдордХ рддैрд▓ рд╡िрд╢ेрд╖ рдЙрдкрдпोрдЧी рд╣ो рд╕рдХрддा рд╣ै рдпा рдЖрдк рдХा рдЕрдиुрднूрдд рд╣ै ??
[11/9, 9:41 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
рд╣ो рд╕рдХрддा рд╣ै । рд╡िрд╖ рд╕ंрдпोрдЧ рд╕े MVGT рдоें рдЖрд╢ुрдХाрд░िрдд्рд╡ рджृрд╖्рдЯि рдЧोрдЪрд░ рд╣ोрддा рд╣ै ।
рд╕рди्рджीрдк рдЬी !
[11/9, 9:47 PM] Prof. Satish Panda K. C:
Vaigunya is imperfection or defectiveness.
Tridoshaj vyadhi are also under dosa vaigunya.
[11/9, 9:48 PM] Prof. Satish Panda K. C: ✅
[11/9, 9:50 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
рд╡ाрдпुрд░्рдХोрдкो рдзाрддुрдХ्рд╖рдпाрдд्.....ЁЯСН
Satish ji !ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯМ╗
[11/9, 10:00 PM] Dr. R S. Soni, Delhi:
ЁЯСПЁЯСПЁЯСПЁЯЩПЁЯМ╣
рдПрдХ рдмाрдд рдФрд░ рдЬोреЬрдиा рдЪाрд╣ूंрдЧा।
*рдХрд░्рдг рдкूрд░рдг*
рд╣рдоाрд░े рдпрд╣ां рдХрд╣ाрд╡рдд рд╣ै *рдХाрди рдоें рддेрд▓ рдбाрд▓рдиा।*
рдЬрдм рдХोрдИ рдЙрдЪ्рд╢्рд░ृंрдЦрд▓рддा рдХрд░рдиे рд╡ाрд▓ा рд╡्рдпрдХ्рддि рдХिрд╕ी рдмाрдд рд╕े рдмिрд▓्рдХुрд▓ рд╢ांрдд рд╣ो рдЬाрддा рд╣ै рддो рдЙрд╕рдХे рд▓िрдпे рдХрд╣ा рдЬाрддा рд╣ै
*рдРрд╕े рдмैрдаा рд╣ै рдЬैрд╕े рдХाрди рдоें рддेрд▓ рдбाрд▓ рджिрдпा рд╣ो।*ЁЯШДЁЯШД
рддो рд╢ाрдпрдж рдХрд░्рдг рдкूрд░рдг рдЕрдзिрдХ рдЕрд╢ुрдХाрд░ी рд╣ो рд╢ूрд▓ рдк्рд░рд╢рдорди рдоेंЁЯдФ
[11/9, 10:03 PM] Dr Ankur Sharma, Delhi:
Bilkul h
Me to apne har headache anxiety palpitations ke patient ko daily karan puran
Foot head massage karwata hu
And they get benefits
day before
Yesterday 25year male had bp170\90
he do it
And add lahusunadi vati
Mukta vati
Today bp 110\80
[11/9, 10:04 PM] Dr Ankur Sharma, Delhi:
Highly effective for insomnia
Too
[11/9, 10:04 PM] Prof. Satish Panda K. C:
I am using in my practice since my UG completed.
Some cases give excellent result.
[11/9, 10:04 PM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
ЁЯСМЁЯСНЁЯП╝ot til or alsi kalk with bhaang for local application as upnah may help in pain relief. Taking halwa with plenty of sneh.ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
[11/9, 10:05 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni: ЁЯСНЁЯП╗ЁЯСМЁЯП╗
[11/9, 10:05 PM] Prof. Satish Panda K. C: ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗
[11/9, 10:05 PM] Dr Shashi Jindal: ЁЯСНЁЯП╝ЁЯСМЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯТРЁЯТР
[11/9, 10:07 PM] Dr. Sadhana Babel, Pune: Tinnitus too
[11/9, 10:10 PM] Dr Ankur Sharma, Delhi:
YehЁЯСМЁЯСМЁЯСМ
Otalgia
Tinnitus
Vertigo
[11/9, 10:11 PM] Dr. Sadhana Babel, Pune:
For abhyang
Prabhanjan /balaguduchyadi/
Gandush with рдорд╣ाрдиाрд░ाрдпाрди tel too help
As urdhvjatrugat nasya with sidhha ghrut like mahakalyank /рдЬ्рдпोрддिрд╖्рдорддी рддेрд▓ /balatel
For sadya chikitsa bvc or vatkulantak ras
[11/9, 10:11 PM] Dr Ankur Sharma, Delhi:
nasya karan puran helpful in cervical spondylitis shoulder pain etc too
[11/9, 10:12 PM] Vd. Aashish Kumar, Lalitpur: ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯМ╣ЁЯМ╣ЁЯМ╣ЁЯСПЁЯП╗ЁЯСПЁЯП╗
[11/9, 10:12 PM] Dr. Sadhana Babel, Pune: Yes
Masha рдмрд▓ाрджी kadha abyantar with its nasya innmanyastambh.
[11/9, 10:55 PM] Dr Ashwini Kumar Sood, Ambala:
Good effort for explaining line of treatment Dr Satish ji & soni ji !
[11/9, 10:57 PM] Dr Ashwini Kumar Sood, Ambala: ЁЯСМЁЯП╝ЁЯМ╣
[11/9, 11:17 PM] Shantanu Das Prof KC:
Sir ... Mihiradwaya Rasa...Very useful medicine..........
[11/9, 11:24 PM] pawan madan Dr: ЁЯЩПЁЯЩП
[11/9, 11:27 PM] Vaidyaraj Subhash Sharma, Delhi:
*рдбॉ рд╡िрдиोрдж рдЬी,рд╕ंрднрд╡ рд╣ो рддो рдХрд▓ рдЖ рдЬाрдИрдпे рдоेрд░े рдкाрд╕ *
ЁЯТРЁЯМ║ЁЯМ╣
[11/10, 12:38 AM] Vaidyaraj Subhash Sharma, Delhi:
*рд╕рдЯीрдХ рд╕рдо्рдк्рд░ाрдк्рддि рд╕ोрдиी рдЬी !
ЁЯСМЁЯСМЁЯСМЁЯСМ рдЖрдзुрдиिрдХ рдХाрд▓ рдХे рдЕрдиुрд╕ाрд░ рд╣ेрддु рдЕрдиेрдХ рд╣ैं, рдЬैрд╕े рдЕрдиेрдХ рдпुрд╡ा рдоाрджрдХ рдж्рд░рд╡्рдпों рдХा рдк्рд░рдпोрдЧ рдХрд░ рдХे рджेрд░ рд░ाрдд्рд░ि рддрдХ party рдХрд░рддे рд╣ै, MNC culture рдХे shift duty рдХрд░рдиे рд╡ाрд▓े, рдоाрдирд╕िрдХ рдХाрд░рдг рдХुंрдаा,рдХ्рд░ोрдз,рднрдп, рдж्рд╡рди्рдж्рд╡ рдЖрджि рд╕рднी рд╡ाрдд рдк्рд░рдХोрдкрдХ рд╣ैं।*
ЁЯЩПЁЯМ╣ЁЯМ║ЁЯТРЁЯЩП
[11/10, 2:47 AM] Dr. Ashok Rathod, Oman: ЁЯСНЁЯП╜ЁЯСНЁЯП╜ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
[11/10, 3:03 AM] Dr. Ashok Rathod, Oman:
I don't have any experience of treating TN. But I would like to say the following on this subject.
[11/10, 3:12 AM] Dr. Ashok Rathod, Oman:
If TN is the final diagnosis to be treated, then we need to understand the causes mentioned in Modern science. Focus should be made on reducing the compression happening on Trigeminal nerve base and its branches. The compression points must be evaluated by MRI. There may be any blood vessel or maybe any tumor in the brain which is compressing the nerve. Also maybe multiple sclerosis that's damaging myelin sheath which protects the nerves. All above reasons are not in the description of Ayurveda. As Dr Surendra Soni and other Vaidyas said to treat Vata vikruti and Majjadhatu vikruti, it may definitely help. In addition, I would like to draw the attention to treat the Arteriovenous Malformation (AVM), Aneurysm and other kinds of granthi/gulma or Arbuda inside the brain, if it is there. Considering above factors will help to explore the possibilities and limitations of treating TN through Ayurveda.
[11/10, 4:18 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
Local zylocain gel or spray can help
[11/10, 7:28 AM] Sanjay Chhajed Dr. Mumbai:
Brihat vatchintamani +ropya bhasma +suvarna makshik+abhrak +godanti
If pittanubandhi add moti+praval and guduchi sarva
If kaphanubandhi add pippali
Snehan
swedan,
nasya,
karnapuran, gandush,
Shirobhyanga
& most important is basti to be used in combination alternatively
[11/10, 7:30 AM] Sanjay Chhajed Dr. Mumbai:
Local anaesthetic are of no use. Otherwise every other gp would have used it.
[11/10, 7:36 AM] Vd V. B. Pandey Basti U. P:
ЁЯЩПWhat a fine description sir regarding nidhan and prakriti as well.
[11/10, 7:57 AM] Dr. Sadhana Babel, Pune: YesЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗
[11/10, 8:06 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
Good morning sir, local anesthetics do not work on intact skin, but I have found zylocain gel mixed in calamine lotion, locally on herpes Hyperaesthesia. It gives temporary relief.
[11/10, 9:32 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
ЁЯСНЁЯП╝ЁЯСМЁЯСМЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯТРЁЯТР
Medhya rasayan and medhya ghrit will control emotional part of activation of chemo receptors . Brahmi vati, brahmi ghrit, etc. Medhya dhoopan with medhya ghrit mishrit medhya dravyaas may also help.
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
[11/10, 9:33 AM] D C Katoch Sir:
рд╕рдм рдХो рдирдоो рдирдоः ।
Trigeminal Neuralgia is indeed a multifactorial painful condition of the facial region usually puts the patient in a agonious position. Psychological factors play a big role in flaring up the frequency and severity of attacks and the usual treatment gets misfired. To block the hypersensitivity of the nerve fibres involved in this condition Bhanga formulations like Madanand Modak of DAV Pharmacy I have experienced with good clinical outcomes.
[11/10, 9:36 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
Namaskaar sir, yes it will surely help, but as sir is diabetic I think, what he should can do ?
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
[11/10, 9:38 AM] D C Katoch Sir:
рдорджрдиाрдирди्рдж рдоोрджрдХ without sugar/sharkara can be prepared and used.
[11/10, 9:39 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
hanji sir, ye theek rhega. ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯТР
[11/10, 9:40 AM] Vd V. B. Pandey Basti U. P:
Saraswattaritha in high dose also provides instant relief along with kankkasava.
[11/10, 9:42 AM] D C Katoch Sir:
Otherwise try Vijaya Vati
[11/10, 9:52 AM] Dr Ankur Sharma, Delhi:
And what about afeem ajwayan kapur containing
Vedantak ras\ananda vati
Nindrodray ras
In severe pain
It may be beneficial in reducing pain
Immediately
[11/10, 10:13 AM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
Symptomatic pain relief only. Opium may lead to srotorodha worsening the condition as after effect.
Dr Ankur !
[11/10, 10:14 AM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
Bhanga formulations safer in comparison to opium for symptomatic pain relief.
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯМ╗
[11/10, 10:33 AM] Dr Ankur Sharma, Delhi:
Thanks Soni Sir !ЁЯЩПЁЯЩПЁЯЩП
[11/10, 10:34 AM] Dr Chandra Shekhar Sharma: ЁЯТРЁЯТР
[11/10, 11:09 AM] D C Katoch Sir:
рднंрдЧा рдоाрдоी ( рдоाрддुрд▓ाрдиी) рдХी рддрд░рд╣ рд░ोрдЧी рдХो рдк्рдпाрд░ рд╕े рд╢ाрди्рдд рдХрд░рддी рд╣ैं ।
[11/10, 11:15 AM] Sanjay Chhajed Dr. Mumbai:
Calendula from which calamine is sourced is a medicine for herpes.
But even local injection of xylocaine is of no use in TN
The snehan in all forms is the remedy.
Shashi ji !
[11/10, 11:19 AM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
okay
Thanks a lot sir.ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯТРЁЯТРЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
[11/10, 11:20 AM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
Right sanjay sir ЁЯСНЁЯП╗
That's why alcohol injection is given in TN by allopaths.
Herpes is most superficial manifestation while TN nerve fibers are situated deeper in majorities.
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[11/10, 1:08 PM] Prof Giriraj Sharma:
рдирдорд╕्рдХाрд░ рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдп рд╢्рд░ी
Craiaial Nn (TN) рдоें
рджुрд╖्рдп - рд░рд╕ рд░рдХ्рдд *рдордЬ्рдЬा*
рд╕्рд░ोрддрд╕ рджृрд╖्рдЯि рдоें рдк्рд░ाрдгрд╡рд╣ , рд░рд╕рд╡рд╣ *рдордЬ्рдЬाрд╡рд╣*
Sciatica рдоें рдк्рд░ाрдпः рдордЬ्рдЬा рджुрд╖्рдп рдПрд╡ं рдордЬ्рдЬाрд╡рд╣ рд╕्рд░ोрддрд╕ рдХे рд╡िрд╖рдп рдоे рдЪрд░्рдЪा рдирд╣ी рдХी рдЬाрддी ।
рдЗрд╕рдХा рдХोрдИ рд╡िрд╢ेрд╖ рдХाрд░рдг рд╣ै рдХ्рдпा ,,
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯМ╣ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
[11/10, 1:35 PM] Dr. R S. Soni, Delhi:
рдк्рд░рдгाрдо рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдпЁЯЩПЁЯЩП
рдЧृрдз्рд░рд╕ी рдоें рд╡िрдХाрд░ рдиाреЬी рдоें рдиा рд╣ोрдХрд░ рдЕрд╕्рдеि рдпा рдЕрд╕्рдеिрд╕ंрдзि рдПрд╡ं рд╕्рдиाрдпु рдоें рд╣ोрддा рд╣ै, рдЬिрд╕рдХे рдХाрд░рдг рдиाреЬी рдкрд░ рдк्рд░рднाрд╡ рдЖрддा рд╣ै, рд╕ंрднрд╡рддः рдЗрд╕ рдЗрд╕ीрд▓िрдП рд╕ीрдзे рдордЬ्рдЬा рдпा рдордЬ्рдЬрд╡рд╣ рд╕्рд░ोрддрд╕ рдХी рдпрд╣ां рдЪрд░्рдЪा рдирд╣ीं рдХि рдЬाрддी рд╣ो।
рдЕрд▓рдмрдд्рддा рдЬीрд░्рдг рд╣ोрдиे рдкрд░ рдиिрд╢्рдЪрдп рд╣ी рдЧृрдз्рд░рд╕ी рд░ोрдЧ рдоें рднी рдордЬ्рдЬा рдзाрддु рдЧрдд рд╡िрдХाрд░ рдЙрдд्рдкрди्рди рд╣ोंрдЧे। рдпрдеा рдиाреЬी рдХा рд╢ोрд╖ЁЯЩПЁЯдФ
[11/10, 1:49 PM] Prof Giriraj Sharma:
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯСМЁЯП╗ЁЯМ╣ЁЯСМЁЯП╗ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
рдЕрд╕्рдеि рд╕рди्рдзि рдПрд╡ं рд╕्рдиाрдпु
рдЕрд╕्рдеि рд╕рди्рдзि рд╣ी рддो рдордЬ्рдЬाрд╡рд╣ рд╕्рд░ोрддрд╕ рдХे рдоूрд▓ рд╣ै рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдп ,,,
рдЪिंрддрди рдХा рд╡िрд╖рдп рдпрд╣ी рд╣ै рдоेрд░ा
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯМ╣ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
[11/10, 1:58 PM] Dr. R S. Soni, Delhi:
ЁЯЩПЁЯЩПЁЯМ╣
рдоेрд░ा рдХрдерди рднी рдЖрдкрдХी рдЕрд╡рдзाрд░рдгा рд╕े рдкृрдердХ рдирд╣ीं рд╣ै।
рдоूрд▓ рдоें рд╡िрдХाрд░ рдХा рдк्рд░рднाрд╡ рдХाрд▓ांрддрд░ рдоें рд╢ाрдЦा рдкрд░ рднी рджृрд╖्рдЯीрдЧोрдЪрд░ рд╣ोрддा рд╣ै।
рдпрд╣ी рдХाрд░рдг рд╣ै рдХि sciatica рдоें рдк्рд░ाрд░рдо्рдн рдоें рдХेрд╡рд▓ compresson рд╣ै рддрдм рддрдХ рдордЬ्рдЬा рдЧрдд рд╡िрдХाрд░ рдирд╣ीं। (рд╕ंрднрд╡рддः рдХреЮрд╡ाрддрдЬ рднेрдж ) рдХाрд▓ांрддрд░ рдоें nerve рдоें degeneration рд╣ो рдЬाрдиे рдкрд░ рдордЬ्рдЬाрдЧрдд рд╡िрдХृрддि рдоाрдиी рдЬाрдП, (рд╡ाрддिрдХ рднेрдж) рдРрд╕ा рдоेрд░ा рдоाрдирдиा рд╣ै।
рддрджрдиुрд░ूрдк рд╣ी рдЪिрдХिрдд्рд╕ा рдиिрд░्рдзाрд░рдг рд╣ो।
рднूрд▓ рд╕ुрдзाрд░ рдХा рд╕рджैрд╡ рд╕्рд╡ाрдЧрдд рд╣ै।ЁЯЩПЁЯЩПЁЯШМ
[11/10, 2:10 PM] Prof Giriraj Sharma:
рд╕्рд░ोрдд рдкрд░िрдк्рд░ेрдХ्рд╖्рдп рдоें рдПрдХ рдЪिंрддрди
рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдп рд╕ुрд╢्рд░ुрдд
рдоेрджрд╡рд╣ рд╕्рд░ोрддрд╕ рдоें рдЕрд╕्рдеि , рдордЬ्рдЬा рдХा рд╡рд░्рдгрди
рд╡рд╣ी рдкрд░ рдоेрдж рд╕े рд╕्рдиाрдпु рдХो рдЙрддрдкрддि
рдЕрд░्рдеाрдд
1 рдоेрдж рд╕े рд╕्рдиाрдпु
2 рдоेрджрд╡рд╣ рд╕्рд░ोрддрд╕ рдоें рдЕрд╕्рдеि рдПрд╡ं рдордЬ्рдЬा
рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдп рдЪрд░рдХ
рдоेрджрд╡рд╣ рд╕्рд░ोрддः
рдЕрд╕्рдеिрд╡рд╣ः рд╕्рд░ोрддрд╕ рдХा рдоूрд▓ рдоेрджोрдоुрд▓рдо
рдордЬ्рдЬрд╡рд╣ рд╕्рд░ोрддрд╕ рдХा рдоूрд▓ рдЕрд╕्рдеि рд╕ंрдзि
рд╕ूрдХ्рд╖्рдорддा рд╕े рдЪिंрддрди рдХрд░े рддो рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдп рдЪрд░рдХ рдПрд╡ं рд╕ुрд╢्рд░ुрдд рдоें рдХोрдИ рдорддрднेрдж рдирд╣ी
рдоेрдж рд╕े рд╕्рдиाрдпु рдЕрд╕्рдеि рдордЬ्рдЬा рдЪрд░рдХ (рдЙрдд्рддрд░ोрдд्рддрд░)
рдордЬ्рдЬाрд╡рд╣ рдХा рдоूрд▓ рдЕрд╕्рдеि
рдЕрд╕्рдеिрд╡рд╣ः рдХा рдоूрд▓ рдоेрдж,,,
рдореЫ्реЫा/ рдорд╕्рддुрд▓ुंрдЧ рд╢िрд░рд╕्рде
рдордЬ्рдЬा / рдордЬ्рдЬा
рд╕्рдиाрдпु рдорд░्рдо рдЕрднिрдШाрдд рд▓рдХ्рд╖рдг Nerve related,,,,
рдЗрди рдкрд░ рд╕ूрдХ्рд╖्рдорддा рдкрд░ рдЪिंрддрди рдХрд░े рддो ,,,
рд╡ाрдд рд╡्рдпाрдзि рдоें рдордЬ्рдЬा рдЕрд╕्рдеि рдХा рдмрд╣ुрддाрдпрдд рд╡рд░्рдгрди
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯМ╣ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
[11/10, 2:17 PM] Prof Giriraj Sharma:
рдордЬ्рдЬाрд╡рд╣ рд╕्рд░ोрддः рдХे рдоूрд▓ рдЕрд╕्рдеि рд╕рди्рдзि рд╣ै ।
рдордЬ्рдЬा рдХो рдЕрдЧрд░ рд╢िрд░рд╕्рде рдорд╕्рддुрд▓ुंрдЧ рдоाрдиे рддो
рдорд╕्рддुрд▓ुंрдЧ рддाрд▓рд╡рд╕्рдеि рдиाрдордпेрдд,,,
рдЕрд╕्рдеि
Cranial Nn pass out by cranium cavity by any *forman , fissures and canal due to stenosis of these*,,
Compression of Nn in this very common ,,,
Elongated, Little growth , and others structural compression. These factors (рдЕрд╕्рдеिрдиि рд╕рди्рдзिрдп) are are compressed many cranial nn (рдорд╕्рддुрд▓ुंрдЧ)
Facial Nn in stylomostoid forman
Styloid process elongated and compress the GF Nn, and Mandibular Branch of trigeminal Nn ,,,
Like many Example ...
Where Nn compressed by others structures ,,, рд╕рди्рдзि рд╕िрд░्рдл рдЕрд╕्рдеि рд╕рди्рдзि рд╣ी рдирд╣ी рдЕрди्рдп рд╕рди्рдзि рдХे рд▓िрдП рднी рдк्рд░рдпुрдХ्рдд рд╣ुрдЖ рд╣ै ।
In spinal cord the spinal Nn often compressed by рдЕрд╕्рдеि vertebra,,,,
Also Gap of Junction рд╕ंрдзि,,,,
*Canal stenosis* Sciatica Nn is example of compression of bone and other structure like disc prolapse,
And рд╕рди्рдзि join gaps affects spinal Nn ,,,
In Carpal tunnel Syndrome median Nn compressed by Lunate Carpal Bone dislocation also a cause of this ASTHI SANDHI
рдордЬ्рдЬाрд╡рд╣ рд╕्рд░ोрддः рдХे рдоूрд▓ рдЕрд╕्рдеि рдПрд╡рдо рд╕рди्рдзि рдХрд╣рдиे рдкрд░ рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдп рдЪрд░рдХ рдХрд╣ीं рдЗрд╕ рдк्рд░рдХाрд░ рдХे рдЕрд╕्рдеि рд╕рди्рдзि рдХे рдкрд░िрдкेрдХ्рд╖्рдп рдоें рддो рдЗंрдЧिрдд рдирд╣ी рдХрд░ рд░рд╣े ।
рдордЬ्рдЬा /рдорд╕्рддुрд▓ुंрдЧ Central Nerves System ,,,,
рдЕрд╕्рдеि /рд╕ंрдзि skull / vertebrae and canal forman of bone and bundles of structures ,,,,
[11/10, 2:23 PM] Dr. Sadhana Babel, Pune:
In spine disorder
Even post buldging, herniation etc too
[11/10, 2:28 PM] Dr. Sadhana Babel, Pune:
In charak in dhatugat vat he all dhatu separately mentioned with chikitsa
But asthi and majja in combination
Asthimajjagat vata
And chikitsa Sneh рдЕрдн्рдпांрддрд░ and bahya
There is hairline to differentiat each other
Panchtiktaghrut gugul
snigdh gugul kalp
Very useful in majjagat vata.
[11/10, 3:34 PM] pawan madan Dr:
ЁЯЩПЁЯЩП Badhiya chintana hai Giriraj sir. Kisi bhi srotas ka mool jaanne ka chikitsa me kya auchitya hai? Kya ye kisi anatomical significance ki aur ishara karta hai? JItna maine abhi tak samjha wo ye hai ke --- Sroto mool ki chikitsa karne par smasta srotas ki chikitsa me safalta milti hai. Isliye is vishya me chintan hona chahiye.
[11/10, 3:36 PM] pawan madan Dr:
aapke dhyan aakarshan hetu ---------- MAJJA – SUSHRUT SHARIR 4/12-13 – MAJJA is the tissue filled in the large bones.
-MAJJAVAHA SROTAS has the MOOL in ASTHIS AND SANDHIS – CHARAK VIMANA 5/8
The function of MAJJA is POORAN – ASH HRIDYA SUTRA 11/4
MAJJA causes the ASTHIPOORAN, provides SNEHA, BALA, does SHUKRAPUSHTI – SU SHARIRA 15/5 - This second type of majja type also needs attention......
[11/10, 4:42 PM] Dr Manu Vats, Patiala:
It's great Sir...
Couldn't understand Srotodushtee part..Atipravarti and Sanga....pls explain.
Dr. Soni
Regards
[11/10, 5:06 PM] pawan madan Dr:
рджोрд╖ाрд╕्рддु рджुрд╖्рдЯाрд╕्рдд्рд░рдп рдПрд╡ рдорди्рдпां рд╕рдо्рдкीрдб्рдп рдШाрдЯाрд╕ु рд░ुрдЬां рд╕ुрддीрд╡्рд░ाрдо् |
рдХुрд░्рд╡рди्рддि рдпोрд╜рдХ्рд╖िрдн्рд░ुрд╡ि рд╢рдЩ्рдЦрджेрд╢े рд╕्рдеिрддिं рдХрд░ोрдд्рдпाрд╢ु рд╡िрд╢ेрд╖рддрд╕्рддु ||реп||
рдЧрдг्рдбрд╕्рдп рдкाрд░्рд╢्рд╡े рддु рдХрд░ोрддि рдХрдо्рдкं рд╣рдиुрдЧ्рд░рд╣ं рд▓ोрдЪрдирдЬांрд╢्рдЪ рд░ोрдЧाрди् |
рдЕрдирди्рддрд╡ाрддं рддрдоुрджाрд╣рд░рди्рддि рджोрд╖рдд्рд░рдпोрдд्рдеं рд╢िрд░рд╕ो рд╡िрдХाрд░рдо् ||резреж||
(рд╕ु. рдЙ. рддं. рдЕ. реирел) |
TRIDOSHAJA SAMPRAPTI ----- ЁЯСНЁЯСНЁЯСМЁЯП╗ЁЯСМЁЯП╗ЁЯСМЁЯП╗ЁЯСМЁЯП╗ЁЯСМЁЯП╗
[11/10, 6:21 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
рдк्рд░ाрдпोрдЧिрдХ рд░ूрдк рд╕े рд╕्рд╡рдпं рдиाреЬी рдоें рдХोрдИ рд╡ैрдХाрд░िрдХ рд╕्рд╡рд░ूрдк рдиा рд╣ोрдиे рд╕े рдордЬ्рдЬा рдХी рдЪрд░्рдЪा рдк्рд░ाрдпः рдирд╣ीं рдХी рдЬाрддी рдкрд░рди्рддु рд╕ैрдж्рдзाрди्рддिрдХ рд░ूрдк рд╕े рддो рдордЬ्рдЬा рдиिрд░्рдоाрдкрдХ рд╣ोрдиे рд╕े рд╡िрдЪाрд░рдгीрдп рддो рд╣ै । рд╕ुрд╖ुрдо्рдиा рдХे рд▓рдХ्рд╖рдг рдЙрдд्рдкрди्рди рд╣ोрдиे рдкрд░ рддो рдордЬ्рдЬा рдЕрд╡рд╢्рдпрд░ूрдкेрдг рд╡िрдЪाрд░рдгीрдп рд╣ै ।
рдЖ. рдЧिрд░िрд░ाрдЬ
рдЬी !
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯМ╗
[11/10, 6:31 PM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
namaskar sir, how can we co relate majja dushti with trigeminal neuralgia, excessive deep pain is due to innervation of dura matter by trigeminal nerve, which is very sensitive. ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
[11/10, 6:32 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
рд╕्рддुрдд्рдп рдк्рд░рдпाрд╕ рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдп рдЧिрд░िрд░ाрдЬрдЬी । рд╡рд╕्рддुрддः рд╕्рд░ोрддोрдоूрд▓ рдк्рд░ाрдердоिрдХ рд░ूрдк рд╕े рдЙрдд्рдкрдд्рддि рдФрд░ рджैрдиंрджिрди рдХ्рд░िрдпाрдд्рдордХ рдкोрд╖рдг рд╕े рд╕рдо्рдмंрдзिрдд рдоाрдирдиा рдЪाрд╣िрдП рдФрд░ рдЗрд╕ी рдХ्рд░рдордоें рд╡ैрдХाрд░िрдХ рднाрд╡ рднी рддрджрдиुрд╕ाрд░ рдЬाрдирдиा рдЪाрд╣िрдП । рдЖрдк рдж्рд╡ाрд░ा рдЙрдж्рдзृрдд рдЙрдж्рдзрд░рдгों рдоें рд╡िрд╣ाрд░рдЬ рдиिрджाрди рдк्рд░ाрдпः рдк्рд░ाрдзाрдиिрдХ рд░ूрдк рд╕े рджृрд╖्рдЯिрдЧोрдЪрд░ рд╣ोрддे рд╣ैं ।
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╗ЁЯМ╗
[11/10, 6:36 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
'Atipravritti' was proposed by Prof. Satish Panda ji in his post and I proposed 'Sanga' editing the post from my side.
Dr Manu !
[11/10, 6:37 PM] Dr Shashi Jindal:
and dura matter is fiberous connective tissue(snayu ?).
[11/10, 6:40 PM] Prof. Surendra A. Soni:
Neuronal interaction in nerve tissue is indicative of Majja dushti.
No Consideration of dura matter is required here as I understand.
Dr Shashi ji !
[11/10, 7:00 PM] Prof Giriraj Sharma:
рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдпा рд╢рд╢िрдЬी рд╢ुрдн рд╕ंрдз्рдпा
*рдЪрддुрд░्рд╡िрдзा рдпाрд╕्рддु рд╕िрд░ा* рдорд░्рдо рдкрд░िрдк्рд░ेрдХ्рд╖्рдп
рд╡ाрдд рджोрд╖ рдПрд╡ं рдордЬ्рдЬा рдзाрддु
рд╡ाрддрд╡рд╣ рд╕िрд░ा
рд╡ाрдд рджोрд╖ рдЕрд╕्рдеि рд╕ंрд╢्рд░рдп
рдордЬ्рдЬा рдЕрд╕्рдеि рд╕ंрд╢्рд░рдп ( рд╢िрд░ोрдЧрдд)
рдорд╕्рддिрд╖्рдХрдЧрдд рдордЬ्рдЬा (рдорд╕्рддुрд▓ुंрдЧ)
рд╡ाрддрд╡рд╣ рд╕िрд░ाрдХрд░्рдо рдЖрдХुंрдЪрди рдк्рд░рд╕ाрд░рдгрдо рд╕्рдкрд░्рд╢рд╡рд╣ा
Trigeminal Nerve is рд╡ाрддрд╡рд╣ рд╕िрд░ा ,,, (рд╕्рдиाрдпुрдЧрдд рд╡ाрддрд╡рд╣ рд╕िрд░ा)
рд╢िрд░ोрдЧрдд рд░ोрдЧ рдоें рдордЬ्рдЬाрдЕрд╕्рдеि рдЬрди्рдп рд╕рдо्рдк्рд░ाрдк्рддि рдЬ्рдпाрджा рдоिрд▓ рд░рд╣ी рд╣ै ।
рд╡ाрдд рдХा рд╕्рдеाрди рдзाрддुрдУं рдоें рдЕрд╕्рдеि рдХे рд╕ाрде рдордЬ्рдЬा рд╣ै ,,,,?
*рдордЬ्рдЬाрдзाрддु* рдХो рдЕрдЧрд░ рдЖрдЪाрд░्рдп рдиे рд╡ाрдд рджोрд╖ рдХा рд╕्рдеाрди рдХрд╣ा рд╣ै рддो PNS рд╡ाрддрд╡рд╣ рд╕िрд░ा рд╣ी рд╣ै । рдЬो рд╕्рдиाрдпुрдЧрдд рднी рд╣ो рд╕рдХрддी рд╣ै ।
ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯМ╣ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝ЁЯЩПЁЯП╝
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Sir pls suggest a treatment for Stricture of urethra in 50 yr old lady
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